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Reply from Frosig Nowbody knows me real identiti, so the drug related accusations brought agianst me proves an important point: It is hard to belive that Tvind takes a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work.

Yes, I know www.fonden. org and has read the letter from chairman "Morten Knudsens", teknologisk institut. He writes that from the information given to him by Tvind it seems like good projects, but he also writes that the information has not been verifyed - meaning that he didn't investigate the projects himself, but had to relly on tvind sources. So his letter dosn't prove anything.

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

You write that the electricity to the schools in Tvind, should have been produced from oil ore possible coal if the windmill sponsered by the humanitarian foundation was not there. It makes me wonder - is the windnmill in tvind the only one in Denmark? I have seen plenty, maybee I'am just halusinating.

And for the record: producing electricity from windmills is very good bussniess in Denmark, and a fast growing industry in Denmark. If the windmill in Tvind is not effective i wounder why the humanitarian foundation sponsered it - maybe because it is an important symbol for the organisation, that is considered more important then the lifes of others.

frosig2001@yahoo.dk

admitted might be the wrong word since it is not good business, I've not said is a better phrase, excuse me but English is not my mother toungue....

I've not admitted the windmill as being good business, I've said that the windmill is as effeciant more or less as other windmills and that it safes the enviroment thanks to the fact that it produces energy to Tvind school center, if the windmill not would've been there, the energy had to be bought from somewhere else, possibly oil or coal produced energy.

Tvind has never accused you or your family for using drugs, I remember an example used to trying to simplify an explanation a couple of posts back, a fictive example. Paranoid? I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Tvind doesn't take a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work based on that.

 

 

 

 

 

A. Cafarelli Minnesota,

I'm curious to know who the the person you are referring to. I also was at IICD and I have a guess (or actually hope) of who it might be since I liked them. If you don't want to post it here you can email me at baerman2001@hotmail.com

Thanks...

wrong adress in the mail bellow. It is frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Reply from Frosig Nowbody knows me real identiti, so the drug related accusations brought agianst me proves an important point: It is hard to belive that Tvind takes a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work.

Yes, I know www.fonden. org and has read the letter from chairman "Morten Knudsens", teknologisk institut. He writes that from the information given to him by Tvind it seems like good projects, but he also writes that the information has not been verifyed - meaning that he didn't investigate the projects himself, but had to relly on tvind sources. So his letter dosn't prove anything.

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

And for the record: producing electricity from windmills is very good bussniess in Denmark, and a fast growing industry in Denmark. If the windmill in Tvind is not effective i wounder why the humanitarian foundation sponsered it - maybe because it is an important symbol for the organisation, that is considered more important then the lifes of others.

frosig2001@yahoo.dk

admitted might be the wrong word since it is not good business, I've not said is a better phrase, excuse me but English is not my mother toungue....

I've not admitted the windmill as being good business, I've said that the windmill is as effeciant more or less as other windmills and that it safes the enviroment thanks to the fact that it produces energy to Tvind school center, if the windmill not would've been there, the energy had to be bought from somewhere else, possibly oil or coal produced energy.

Tvind has never accused you or your family for using drugs, I remember an example used to trying to simplify an explanation a couple of posts back, a fictive example. Paranoid? I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Tvind doesn't take a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work based on that.

 

 

 

 

 

A. Cafarelli Minnesota,

I'm curious to know who the the person you are referring to. I also was at IICD and I have a guess (or actually hope) of who it might be since I liked them. If you don't want to post it here you can email me at baerman2001@hotmail.com

Thanks...

wrong adress in the mail bellow. It is frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Reply from Frosig Nowbody knows me real identiti, so the drug related accusations brought agianst me proves an important point: It is hard to belive that Tvind takes a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work.

Yes, I know www.fonden. org and has read the letter from chairman "Morten Knudsens", teknologisk institut. He writes that from the information given to him by Tvind it seems like good projects, but he also writes that the information has not been verifyed - meaning that he didn't investigate the projects himself, but had to relly on tvind sources. So his letter dosn't prove anything.

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

admitted might be the wrong word since it is not good business, I've not said is a better phrase, excuse me but English is not my mother toungue....

I've not admitted the windmill as being good business, I've said that the windmill is as effeciant more or less as other windmills and that it safes the enviroment thanks to the fact that it produces energy to Tvind school center, if the windmill not would've been there, the energy had to be bought from somewhere else, possibly oil or coal produced energy.

Tvind has never accused you or your family for using drugs, I remember an example used to trying to simplify an explanation a couple of posts back, a fictive example. Paranoid? I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Tvind doesn't take a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work based on that.

 

 

 

 

 

A. Cafarelli Minnesota,

I'm curious to know who the the person you are referring to. I also was at IICD and I have a guess (or actually hope) of who it might be since I liked them. If you don't want to post it here you can email me at baerman2001@hotmail.com

Thanks...

wrong adress in the mail bellow. It is frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Reply from Frosig Nowbody knows me real identiti, so the drug related accusations brought agianst me proves an important point: It is hard to belive that Tvind takes a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work.

Yes, I know www.fonden. org and has read the letter from chairman "Morten Knudsens", teknologisk institut. He writes that from the information given to him by Tvind it seems like good projects, but he also writes that the information has not been verifyed - meaning that he didn't investigate the projects himself, but had to relly on tvind sources. So his letter dosn't prove anything.

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

Tvind has never accused you or your family for using drugs, I remember an example used to trying to simplify an explanation a couple of posts back, a fictive example. Paranoid? I don't understand how you can come to the conclusion that Tvind doesn't take a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work based on that.

 

 

 

 

 

A. Cafarelli Minnesota,

I'm curious to know who the the person you are referring to. I also was at IICD and I have a guess (or actually hope) of who it might be since I liked them. If you don't want to post it here you can email me at baerman2001@hotmail.com

Thanks...

wrong adress in the mail bellow. It is frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Reply from Frosig Nowbody knows me real identiti, so the drug related accusations brought agianst me proves an important point: It is hard to belive that Tvind takes a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work.

Yes, I know www.fonden. org and has read the letter from chairman "Morten Knudsens", teknologisk institut. He writes that from the information given to him by Tvind it seems like good projects, but he also writes that the information has not been verifyed - meaning that he didn't investigate the projects himself, but had to relly on tvind sources. So his letter dosn't prove anything.

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

 

 

 

 

 

A. Cafarelli Minnesota,

I'm curious to know who the the person you are referring to. I also was at IICD and I have a guess (or actually hope) of who it might be since I liked them. If you don't want to post it here you can email me at baerman2001@hotmail.com

Thanks...

wrong adress in the mail bellow. It is frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Reply from Frosig Nowbody knows me real identiti, so the drug related accusations brought agianst me proves an important point: It is hard to belive that Tvind takes a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work.

Yes, I know www.fonden. org and has read the letter from chairman "Morten Knudsens", teknologisk institut. He writes that from the information given to him by Tvind it seems like good projects, but he also writes that the information has not been verifyed - meaning that he didn't investigate the projects himself, but had to relly on tvind sources. So his letter dosn't prove anything.

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

I'm curious to know who the the person you are referring to. I also was at IICD and I have a guess (or actually hope) of who it might be since I liked them. If you don't want to post it here you can email me at baerman2001@hotmail.com

Thanks...

wrong adress in the mail bellow. It is frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Reply from Frosig Nowbody knows me real identiti, so the drug related accusations brought agianst me proves an important point: It is hard to belive that Tvind takes a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work.

Yes, I know www.fonden. org and has read the letter from chairman "Morten Knudsens", teknologisk institut. He writes that from the information given to him by Tvind it seems like good projects, but he also writes that the information has not been verifyed - meaning that he didn't investigate the projects himself, but had to relly on tvind sources. So his letter dosn't prove anything.

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

wrong adress in the mail bellow. It is frosig2001@yahoo.dk

Reply from Frosig Nowbody knows me real identiti, so the drug related accusations brought agianst me proves an important point: It is hard to belive that Tvind takes a fullhearted interest in humanitarian work.

Yes, I know www.fonden. org and has read the letter from chairman "Morten Knudsens", teknologisk institut. He writes that from the information given to him by Tvind it seems like good projects, but he also writes that the information has not been verifyed - meaning that he didn't investigate the projects himself, but had to relly on tvind sources. So his letter dosn't prove anything.

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

Yes, I know www.fonden. org and has read the letter from chairman "Morten Knudsens", teknologisk institut. He writes that from the information given to him by Tvind it seems like good projects, but he also writes that the information has not been verifyed - meaning that he didn't investigate the projects himself, but had to relly on tvind sources. So his letter dosn't prove anything.

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

I find it very intresting, that you admit, that the windmill is good buisness, and paid for by the foundation.

Frosig@2001.dk

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

How interesting to come upon this site. A few years ago, I moved to the almost commune, and definitely cult-like atmosphere of IICD in Williamstown, Massachusetts. One night, one of the members of the "teacher's Group" who was obviously pissed at the directorfilled us in on Tvind and Humana, and admitted to us all that he had to hand over all of his assets before becoming a teacher. He was told that, someday he'd be able to retire in the Cayman Islands- worry free! My fellow "team members" and I thought, "What kind of development organisation is this"? We all started asking questions of the director- then Josefin Jonnsen. What a croc! After realizing that IICD was in fact a cult, most of us left. Unfortunately, 7 out of 12 of us left IICD AFTER fundraising all of our money to go to either Angola or Zimbabwe.

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

A. Cafarelli Minnesota

Hi, Humana health care is not connected to Tvind and actually pre-dates the whole Tvind thing..... Lars

Hi every one, i havent been here in a while. (It's Sylvia)

I recently heard some disturbing news. I live in the states and as you probably know, we have to buy insurance for health care. Well, There is an Insurance company clled Humana! I have no idea if it is the same one, but it is a bit odd to name and insurance co. Humana. If anyone know's anything else, let me know, or if i hear anything else i will post it.

Sylvia

Hi Tomas, Decide to try out a little free speech? Must be refreshing to do so after taking the link to the the CCTG guestbook off your webpage.

Lars

P.S. btw, the Peace Corps provides full accounting and evaluation for their projects...unlike

I think the Peace corps does a lot of good work. So do we.

Regards

Tomas CCTG

Although the Peace Corps have a more formal application process and generally (although not always) looks for people with B.A.s, you need not "be qualified up to your ears". I suspect that everyone in my group would have easily qualified for the Peace corps.

Moreover, people of all ages do it. The oldest PC volunteer was 86. It's a great program for people who want to do development work and have an adventure and actually provides you with support and training.

Check it out http://www.peacecorps.gov/volunteer/faq_qualifying.cfm#q1

Lars

Hi Jimmy!

"the difference between us and the public shool is that we fix (the computers) ourselves"

All state schools in Denmark have one or more teachers there that maintain and repair networks, printers, and all their other IT eqipment. Nothing pioneering about Tvind doing this too.

"It doesn't matter much who's on the "good" side (in Afghanistan) or that the civil population suffers even further when America is fighting the terrorists... Quite fun considering that America were the ones putting the Talibans to power... How many "terrorists" have been caught since this "war on terror" started?"

You must have a pretty sick sense of humour to consider that fun, Jimmy. Anyway, the USA and the coalition partners have in fact liberated the Afghan people from their fundamentalist chauvinist "government", as you know, people are now free to watch TV, read newspapers, women can walk the streets of Kabul without hiding themselves away. Several of the terrorists have been caught or killed, and a new democratic government reprensenting all Afghanis is well under way. Just turn the news or read a newpaper! Oh right, Tvindies aren't SUPPOSED to read newspapers, as Amdi says, "they put you in such a bad mood"...

cheers,

*<:-)

PS: A cult or a sect is defined as isolating oneself in a small group of the people who share your opinions and beliefs. Sects are generally controlled by gurus that in varying degrees exert their control of the lives of the cult members, the cult members in turn cannot imagine questioning anything the guru says.

Hi Chris!

It seems like your attitude toward Tvind is that "it's okay that they do bad stuff because heck, everybody is doing it". In other words, because the US has had some shady foreign policy dealings, then it is perfectly understandable that a charity- and tax-funded private school corporation from a tiny Scandinavian country go out and throw their support behind some of the worst war criminals on the planet?!

If the Danish government were to lead any kind of foreign or educational policies that concerned me as much as Tvind's, I could write my MP and demand that this be stopped. You would be able to do the same in your country. That is what democracy is all about.

However in Tvind's case, I have no recourse when my tax dollars are being spent on questionable schemes. If Tvind was just more open with its accounts and did not own several strange holding companies on Jersey and the Isle of Man and penthouses in Miami, if it actually WERE what it claims to be, that is a charity of poor, hard-working people trying to create a better world I would have nothing but respect for Tvind.

However I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

It may well be that the Peace Corps requires you to be qualified up to your ears but at least with them you know that you are making a difference and that ALL of the funds you raise and ALL the work you do actually benefit to the intended recipients and is not spent on Utzon-designed HQs "so big that it can be seen from the moon" (Amdi Petersen) or indeed the upkeep of the old nutter himself in South Florida. Besides there are other great charities out there that don't require any particular qualifications. http://www.volunteerinternational.org/ is one.

"By the way I have never seen anything saying Tvind support the Khmer Daeng?" TG bigwig Bodil Ross travelled to Kampuchea as it were then known on a "state visit" sometime back in the seventies. When she returned she was absolutely beaming telling all the other TG members "how great these people were". You should ask some of your Tvind buddies about it, they would know.

yours, *<:-)

Hi *<:-)

"Peace Corps, the Red Cross" any other org, as I said below NORAD and co spend more money on anything but the things they are supposed to, plus you need to be qualified up to your ears for most of them, which is why Tvind is great as it offers a chance for people who want to do something to get involved regardless of their age or qualifications.

 

'- But that doesn't make supporting mass murdering dictatorships right, does it?"

No but you can not do "select pointing" either. label one then label all, else you simple say that it's okay as long as your big and can get away with it. By the way I have never seen anything saying Tvind support the Khmer Daeng?

Cheers

Chris

Hi strange smiley...

I think the haha guy was a little bit dramatic and actully I wouldn't be surpried if it was an anti tvinder who wrote it...

 

anyway.

Tvind equips all their schools with WORKING computers..." Since when do home built 386'ers qualify as working computers?! ;)

Most of the computers we have are actually >386, and considering that they all run on a terminal server (one or more servers/school) they go quite fast. we don't have the computers to play the latest games on, we use them to study on and they are not the fastest ones in the world, but they can be used.

Sometimes they don't work, the difference between us and the public shool is that we fix it ourselves, of course it might take longer time sometimes, but on the other hand, when we solve a problem together with the students we learn how to solve it, not how to look up the number to the closest computer repair guy and call it...

All the places I've been have had decent computers, some places have better ones and some worse, the schools with the best economy has of course the best computers too.

I don't see the "haha" guy say he supports the taliban anywhere, what he says, in quite rough words as I see it. "It's not enough evidence to last in a courtoom, but it's enough evidence to bomb an already completely bombed devastaded country further" these northern alliance are known for drug trafficing and general gangster behaviour, but It doesn't matter much who's on the "good" side or that the civil population suffers even further when America is fighting the terrorists... Quite fun considering that America were the ones putting the Talibans to power... How many "terrorists" have been caught since this "war on terror" started?

About brainwashing, maybe the "haha" guy belives that the entire danish system and media are against tvind...

I don't blame him... If Denmark is so democratic, how come that none of the articles we are writing in defence of the accusations being put against us gets published??

How come that when a person calls the danish embassy to ask about dns, he gets told that "Tvind has strong relationships with the scientology church and are a cult... etc" Can you show me the evidence to back that up, when an embassy makes that statement as a fact, they have to have evidence to support it, but since it's tvind it's about, no evidence is needed because everybody "knows" that tvind is bad.

About cult/sect..

Can you please provide me with your definition of cult or sect?

Money without money you can't do anything, if you have money you don't have to focus so much on money, when you don't have money you have to focus on money to be able not to focus on the money.

Some people feels that it's to much focus on the money and "hush hush hush" about where the money is going. Talk to the headmaster and get it clarified instead of going around getting your opinions from the people that "knows that the money is being sent straight to amdis bank account"

Face the problem, try to solve it, if you can't solve it, find an alternative solution.

Oh, by the way

How come the total amount of money in this country has increased, but the standard of living for more people has decreased. Does the welfare system work? take a look around you and see if it works as it should do. Where does the money go????

 

//Jimmy

But it is not so great when these wonderful, hard-working, idealistic young people are taken advantage of by a hard-core capitalist organisation that actually demands money off them just to be allowed to go out fundraising!! (finally found somewhere I could use your neat expression, Chris. It suits Tvind perfectly!) Volunteer for the Peace Corps, the Red Cross or almost ANY other charity organistaion instead of Tvind!

*<:-)

It is great that people from all place come together at a school in Denmark training for Africa!!!

Quite a unique opportunity

Danish Student: I agree with the previous poster. Get out and take as many of your fellow students with you as you can. Find a place to get back in balance with yourself again, a place in the real world, give yourself some time to think it all out (what was good, what was bad and what was ugly about what happened to you -- at some distance)... Then decide what was "shite" and what was truth about this site. Don't waste your energies, your time and your "fire"! Don't allow them to ruin you for the good work you could be doing in the world -- find some other way to help! There are other programs out there... why does it have to be this one you're stuck in ?-- If they're not living up to their side of the bargain, not giving you what they promised you they would, yet demanding that you give, give, give to their agenda, with nothing in return... why on earth would you give them another minute? ... Do you think it's going to get better? Hasn't happened yet... Hey, they've already got your money, chalk that up to a learning experience -- scam artists always say, "never give a sucker an even break." They don't care about the fact that you paid that in good faith...all they care about is that it's in their bank accounts ready to invest in some other scam... Get out!

 

Hi Danish Student!

Get out and take as many of your friends with you as you can! Good luck!

Here there student in Denmark.

*The money situation shouldn't be to difficult to find out. Ask the Principal to hold a presentation about it. *About the Chaos. I suggest you sit down and meet to find out how it could be improved and how your school could be better organized. *About not learning anything from your teacher. Try to define what it is the teacher should teach you and meet with him/her and the staff about that.

Many have been in the same situation as you. Some have chosen to quite, other have chosen to work together to make it into someting good.

I suggest that last and that you do not mix up the situation at your school with some people "crying" Brainwash, cult and cheating with money!

Im currently a student in one of the schools in Denmark. You have too much shite on your page but also too much truth. Im concidering jumping of because: The costs are extremly high and you can not get information about where the money goes...Money talks and is moore important to the drh than anything else...There is no organisation of the school, its a chaos...We clean, cook and clean and I learn nothing from my teachers and so on and so on...I really want to Africa and to help but the fire I had in me gets no fuel here only water...And about 80 % of the students agree on this. Maybe Ill write moore when I have quit...Soo many student and no fire left.

Hi Chris!

"...I have to agree that yes 20-30 stories does not make a majority..."

- I have personally never seen any figures relating to how many Tvind students are dissatisfied with their stays at the schools. In my own experience I know only 3 people that have been students at the schools, all of them hated it.

"...the US government has suported far more lethal and evil people than Tvind, even our dear Thai government financially supported the Khmer Rouge, right wing killers in the 70's and other less high profile groups..."

- But that doesn't make supporting mass murdering dictatorships right, does it?

"Denmark is (...) still a hard core Capitalist country."

- This one almost caused me to laugh out loud hysterically!;) Anyway, trust me on this: Denmark is anything BUT a hard core capitalist country! We have the highest taxes in the world, a completely unionized labour force and as you mention, a very comprehensive social welfare system.

yours, *<:-)

 

TVIND THREATENS COURT WITNESS (from jp) Tvind has launched a counterattack in the case against the so-called humanitarian trust. One crown witness, Hans la Cour is being threatened with legal proceedings, former members of the teachers group are pressured into signing declarations of support and critical statements made by Tommy Christensen have been brought before the National Council of Lawyers. more details in Danish at: http://www.jp.dk/dbp/internetavisen/indland/artikel&art_id=3533608

Hi Chris, This is a cheap shot but what the hell. :) So the foreign policy of US government is now the standard by which we should judge Tvind? I think you have finally found a topic that everyone can disagree with.....Cheers....Lars

Hi *<:-D

While "haha" does seem to be a bit derailed I have to agree that yes 20-30 stories does not make a majority. It makes a majority here as this site has a 100% bias towards only showing anything and everything it can show to be against Tvind regardless of whether such items are true or totally without proof.

"Tvind doesn't allow people to get married and have kids"...erm, sorry I'll debunk that now, the headteacher of DIE Tvind Bore and his wife Birgide had a baby girl while I was working there, I think their daughters name was Lisa...though I profess I can't remember for sure

The Danish government has always been against Tvind, has never liked the education system they devised nor their support for organizations such as SWAPO, ANC and so forth, nor it's general leanings towards communism. To have such a strong organization in ones back garden does tend to provoke a government to act. Seeing it from the governments point of view "Communist organization educating the Danish youth"...hmmmmm, as social welfare organized as Denmark is, it's still a hard core Capitilist country.

Interesting that you list governments that Tvind is said to have supported, the US government has suported far more lethal and evil people than Tvind, even our dear Thai government financially supported the Khmer Rouge, right wing killers in the 70's and other less high profile groups.

cheers

Chris

Oh, God, *<:), PLEASE don't wish all those soon-to-be deported TG bigwigs on all us innocents overseas! WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE! I sympathise,though, it's sort of like the issue of toxic waste...what to do with it.

Peace, love and rock&roll...and FREEEEDOMMMMM! Yesss.

Hippiechick

oops sorry, Pia Kjaergaard got twenty-some SEATS in parliament, not twenty-some % of the popular vote, (thank god!), I think she got something like 12% of the vote. *<:-)

hey haha

I am quite flattered that an actual real live Tvindie took time out of his busy schedule to respond to my post! Just have a couple of questions for you:

"...Tvind equips all their schools with WORKING computers..." Since when do home built 386'ers qualify as working computers?! ;)

"sounds a little bit like afghanistan where the "evidence" of the attack is was Bin Laden wouldn`t last long in a courtoom.. instead america declares war. " Well what do you know? A Tvindie who is pro-Taleban? Not that I'm surprised really... It is a quite natural progression from supporting Robert Mugabe, the Khmer Rouge and throwing a party for the late great North Korean dictator, Kim. Maybe you should actually go live with the some of these people for a while, I understand that they too are great champions of your versions of "democracy and freedom"

Oh yeah, you also seemed to mention that (I) am so brainwashed, maan That coming from a man who obviously believes that the racist Danish government is in a grand conspiracy with the entire Scandinavian media, with a bit of help from the French national assembly declaring Tvind a cult, all aimed at making little Amdi cry.

By the way, until Pia Kjaersgaard got 20-some percent of the votes a couple of weeks ago we actually in the very elite when it comes to being humainst. Just ask the UN, that shouldnt be tough, all your websites link to them anyway, implying that they somehow support your operations, right?

In a few years time, when good ole Jens, the sheriff of Holstebro or someone else shuts you guys down for good, you will stand there all alone, with all the important TG members in jail or hiding out overseas, watching all your ideals come crashing down around you and wonder where your youth and your life went. Do yourself a favour, get out now before its too late!

Yours, *<:-)

PS: Calling yourself hippies is truly an insult to hippies everywhere!!

beware of Aids! use a condom!

Fuck you danmark rulez

yes, very nice answer!!!straight out!

 

Sure, long live Pia kaersgaard, she's so humanistic... haha, Denmark democratic, give me a break man.

 

"Unfortunately, judging from the stories of a lot of people out there, this seems to be the exception rather than the rule."

haha, so ridicolous, how many stories are there here? 20-30, out of 50 000 students that has passed through the tvind schools... that`s really the majority that has had a bad experience

Give me evidence about the workers being treated like slaves, and I don`t mean Extrabladet (the really objective professional newspaper haha)

I`m not allowed to marry anyone I want, damn man, where are you from, not from this world I guess

can you please provide me with that record, not the rumorbased "Tvind is under investigation" record, but all cases where we actually has been convicted.

"somehow end up being used on luxury apartments in Miami Beach, luxury Mercedes SUVs and the like."

Give me the evidence, that those money are from founds meant for problematic kids or development aid. You know the teachers group has a lot of money, and what we do with OUR money (not humanas, not adpp, not planet aid, not the small schools but OUR money) has nothing to do with you

Why do I think that the government passed a law against us.

Well, some old hippies in the middle of nowhere in western jyttland aint no threat, when those hippies build the worlds biggest windmill and seriously threatens the plans of nuclear power, we started being a threat. When we remind the government of their own faults and failures with taking care of problematic kids, they see it as offensive, When Tvind equips all their schools with WORKING computers for a very small amount of money and the socialist danish government spends 100 million and fails, some people gets pissed of..

The law that was passed was breaking the ground law in Denmark, and the minister of education when asked said "The reason I declare this law is that I know I can`t win in a courtoom"

sounds a little bit like afghanistan where the "evidence" of the attack is was Bin Laden wouldn`t last long in a courtoom.. instead america declares war.

LONG LIVE DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM!!

 

haha

 

you are so brainwashed man

 

Chris,

I am glad that your Tvind experience was so positive. Unfortunately, judging from the stories of a lot of people out there, this seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

Be that as it may, even if every single Tvind student did have a great time at the schools, even if the Latin American Tvind plantation workers did not work under slave-like conditions, even if Tvind teachers were free to marry and have children with anyone they choose, even that does not change the fact that Tvind has a very faulty record when it comes to managing public money entrusted to it. And as a Danish taxpayer, that causes me concern.

Through a complex network of trusts, holding companies, and offshore bank accounts, public education and charity funds that are supposed to be used respectively for educating "problem kids" and helping the people of the third world somehow end up being used on luxury apartments in Miami Beach, luxury Mercedes SUVs and the like.

Why do you think that the then socialist-dominated Danish PARLIAMENT actually passed a law a few years ago whose sole purpose was to try and eliminate Tvind? They just didn't have anything better to do that day? Why would a country, regarded as one of the most humanist and democratic in the world suddenly attempt to BAN a so-called legitimate charity organisation like Tvind? Could there perhaps be a reason for this?

cheers, *<:-D

Hi Nameless Smiley " *<:-D "

>obviously intelligent man

This has not yet been proven but thanks anyway :)

Anyway........

I don't know Amdi, have never met him and to the best of my knowledge have not said anything for or against him. My views are based only upon experiences I have had and comparisons of the similar schools. And as I have said before, Tvind is not perfect, but who is and many things could be better...BUT with all things considered, Tvind still do excellent work in Africa, give great "experience based" education and gave me an excellent 4 years of work, adventure and travel.

Cheers

Chris

Chris,

How can an obviously intelligent man like yourself find it in his heart to defend the likes of Mogens Amdi Petersen and his cronies? You are a bigger man than I.

*<:-D

Taking action when it's needed

By Anders Svensson.

As a teacher - a leader - a social worker - it is important to be welcoming and always ready. Just think of this situation: 20 kids in a class room and just one teacher. It is the teachers task to make sure that each student get the help needed. And it is the teachers task to notice the kids so they are never bored. The ones who are about to give up must be encouraged, and the ones who look unhappy comforted. It is your job to reach each single student. It really is. Regardless whether you like them or not. It is your task  to treat the most unlikeable kid with respect. You have to teach yourself how - or get someone more experienced to help you if you find it difficult. It is also the teachers task to be the entrepreneur, who is not afraid of starting something new, even though she is not sure how it will all end. What for? Is that in your job description as a teacher? Isn't teaching about delivering the curriculum? I have known a couple of teachers who worked pretty hard the first couple of years, went through the same curriculum over and over again - and they would know it by heart. After a couple of years they knew the sentences the students would perhaps rephrase slightly the next twenty years - nothing would ever be unknown. Everything would be as it always used to be. This kind of teacher is not an entrepreneur. Guess what! The world changes all the time and it is the teachers task to teach his students to be part of these changes. Stress fills the everyday life of many people and this stress is often caused by the fear of changes because teachers - and people in general - are not trained to change. It is important that the teacher trains his students to face unforeseen situations and teach them to solve the problems they are facing. Just 20 years ago everything was much more simple. The world of work was not very complicated The handicraft mans job was simple - when the fundamental tools were known and he could handle them easily. The baker became a good baker, the carpenter could saw and hammer .... this has changed. Today the carpenter has to figure it all out as well, he has to read the architects drawings and the manual. Tasks, that are not very simple. All of us who have tried to assemble 27 pieces of wood and 35 screws into an IKEA shelf know what I am talking about. These tasks are getting more and more complicated and the teacher has to make his students capable of solving increasinlgy complex problems. In theory we can agree on these questions. But in practice things are often different. We are not educated to use - or equipped with - the tools that are needed to solve the problems. That is why we avoid situations where problems are likely to occur. That is why we often try to avoid the conflicts instead of meeting them head-on - experiencing them and using them in order to jump to a new and better level. At DNS we train our teacher students to detect, analyse and solve conflict situations. We teach them to be mobile and full of ideas and welcoming. We see the education to be teacher as an education to give other people a hand. You have to be a humanist as a teacher, You need to be able to see strengths and potentials instead of weaknesses and bad manners. In the middle of a world where people are getting more and more fixed on reaching their own individual goals, we challenge the DNS students to look up from their bellybuttons and ask them to share their personal surplus with others that are in badly need it. And now let me let you in on a secret: By contributing with you skills for the benefir of others, by running that extra mile for someone, by actaully caring - your life becomes richer, fuller and more fun. And you will have many friends from all sorts of backgrounds. So - how do we actually put these ideas into practice at DNS? We have expanded DNS to include other programmes than the teacher education, training schools if you like. We call the different departments our heart chambers. The teacher training course is one heart chamber PTG - which stands for Practical Theoretical Basic Education in Danish is another. It is a programme for students aged 18+ who would like to take a HF exam which is Danish exam equivalent to German Abitur or UK A'levels. There is also the Vitality Centre which is a shorter term holiday and weekend centre where we make tailor made programmes for youngsters with speocal needs or other people who need special care "DNS - Day and Night Service" is another heartchamber activity where we solve emergency situaions of various kinds - a bit like a temping service. As a student at DNS you have ample opportunity to work in one of the other heart chambers, and in that way gain a lot of practical experience with a multitude og tasks that all have to do with teaching and social work. There is a tight cooperation between the regular teachers at PTG and the Vitality Centre and the DNS students. Sometimes the participation of the DNS students is planned far in advance, sometimes there are issues that need to be solved straight away, and the DNS students will step in and help where needed. For instance: The Vitality Center is a heart chamber who caters mostly for troubled youngsters who need to get away for a weekend or a holiday period because of various reasons - maybe they are at special school which closes during holidays, maybe they are "between placements" - maybe going from one foster family to.... something else that the local authorities have to figure out. Another example: Some of the youngsters at PTG have social problems.  Anybody who has been together with troubled kids knows that difficult situations can happen suddenly. Problems need to be solved immediately. Then some of the DNS students can come and help out - maybe go for a walk with someone, or help out with homework or whatever the problem is. More or less in a "big sister"  (or brother) role. So what is in it for the DNS student? Well, it is a very good training situation for the coming teacher to be able to handle unexpected situations, with the supervision and support from experienced teachers of course. It keeps you on your toes, it trains you to be flexible, creative in finding new solutions and maybe most importantly - to be part of a big "family" where you of course lend a helping hand when it is needed. Also - this close cooperation between the DNS students - the teachers to be - and a whole bunch of other people with various needs, and experienced teachers who always have the situation in hand - is a very good mix. Everyone wins. Everyone gets to know people they would normally not mix with. The social environment is great at DNS as a direct result of the cooperation between the heart chambers.

To the previous poster, here's an extract from the article if you even bothered reading, and I'd say that ADPP is as legitimate as it can be.

"A module on HIV/AIDS has been developed by ADPP for use in training teachers in 6 colleges in the country. Already 600 teachers have been trained, and are now using their knowledge and skills to reach people through their community work, and through clubs."

But I guess that's just bad, I mean, 600 teachers teaching >50 kids in a class about HIV/AIDS prevention is sooooooo bad, not to mention the clubs and voluntary work being done by those teachers and how many people they reach?

maybe Tvind tries to increase the % of HIV/AIDS cases? is it a conspiracy thought out by Amdi, is it Tvinds plan to give HIV/AIDS to the entire southern africa and take over everything, Is Tvind infecting their teachers with HIV/AIDS??

Get real man

that was HIV/AIDS... and "serving" in that last post.

I would like to thank the poster who so thoughtfully left us the information about the HIV?aids epidemic in Mozambique. It is a reminder to those of us who might be interestsed in teaching in the third world that those under our care would benefit from our legitimate teacher training garnered at legitimate educational institutions, and then finding placement with legitimate service organizations in order to be most effective with the populations we are servind.

I am very happy that Tvind goes out of Denmark. It is not at all an interesting country apart Ekstra Bladet and the Erotica Museum. I think that with this government of big fat gorillas no way for tvind to be there; they all will be in jail with that socialist ideas try to brainwash all that lovely kids all over denmark!

http://www.unicef.org/mozambique/educ_hiv.htm

Hi D,

Thanks for the link, but, you are shallow in your research, there are already at least 5 DRH schools outside Denmark and a new DNS is being developed already. Not exactly a new thing.

Hi Lars,

What is interesting though is that their PR and press coveragre in Africa on the whole is very good and very positive, looking over many of the African national papers web sites you can find positive articles and reports going back many years and covering right up to present day, could it be that the LG and volunteers are doing some good in Africa....now that'd make for worthless press in Europe wouldn't it...... I mean how can Ekstra Bladet sell papers that say "Tvind helps People", all time low sales.

Cheers

Chris

 

Hey Chris,

Unfortunatley the DRH is probably not going to exist at that time - Tvind is leaving Denmark, you see! *<:-D

http://www.eb.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=146162 (article in Danish)

News from Denmark: TG members that are being investigated by the authorities are leaving the country trying to avoid punishment for their acts. How heroic

Hi Chris, Yes, their PR is ridiculous but given the fact that the TG is full of intelligent hard-working people I have trouble believing that it is simply a bad decision. Actually it probably works as well as anything can in the face of all the problems. The last thing they want is any kind of light shining in on the organization.

I already have the URL for the CCTG guestbook but since they have removed the link from their homepage it is a guestbook that no one thinking about CCTG will ever visit or see. Too much free speech I guess.

Lars

Hi Lars,

People always quit from things, that's a fact of life, going to Africa is not an easy decision and the closer a person gets to going the more stress a person can feel if they are not 100% committed to that idea. Even going to Asia, once you start to build the bus interior and people realize that "gee I don't have my own private room" they will quit, they is no "I" on a bus or in Africa, it is all about the group.

Bak to the point though, so you'd have liked seen of discussed upfront before fund raising how the money raised was to be spent, rathe than post funding finding out that it was split over a range of items that were not all related to the project? I think that's where things vary from school to school and project to project, in DRH Hornsjo it was transparent on my course, in DRH Tvind becuase we were going to Asia it was even more so.

On a different tact, CCTG Guest Book :

http://two.guestbook.de/gb.cgi?gid=373406&prot=nqgdlw&

should get you in.

Yes I agree, as I said on the CCTG board where the LG falls flat on its face is PR. They could do them selves a lot more good if they handled the press and questions in a better way. The standoff, no comment, no answer, system they choose to use just doesn't earn them any brownie points.

Sadly posts like the two proceeding this one from supposed pupils ar Tvind don't help a great deal, that said the same one liners come from both sides of the fence.

At the end of the day, I don't agree with how everything is done at Tvind, but I can say that about any job I have had and any company/person I have worked with, BUT I had a great time, learnt a lot, saw a lot and would do it again if present circumstances allowed.....Having a wife, daughter, two dogs and a company to run doesn't allow :O). Though I hope to send my daughter to join a DRH for a year when she is old enough.

Cheers

Chris

Hei to you how havd been in tvind I am curently a "pupil" here. and my guess is that you where here during the get involved conferens, when there was a info meeting. let me just say to you. If you are not willing to take a hole lot of crap from A. lauzen, to go to africka. dont come here. besause it is the strong ones that leave and the weak willed how stays.

nn seems to know amdi, has even been in miami to meet him in the penthouse, taking a walk with the dogs or maybe having some discussions while playing some golf ? very very very sorry, but your statement shows, you do not know anything about tvind, humana, amdi, ... so why do you start talking such silly shit, go discuss football results, the elections, what so ever, ...

FYI, looks like the link on CCTG's homepage to their guestbook has been de-linked.

http://www.cctg.org/

Too much free speech out of the control of the TG, I guess.

Lars

Hi Chris, Sorry for losing you. No, actually my gripe isn't how the money is spent but the process through which the decision to spend it was made. Like I said we probably would have been willing to give the money to IICD (we were still really into the TG) but they never asked and told us that ALL the money raised was going to the project. Sounds like you had a better system in place for your group but people still quit.

I guess this sums up a lot of critique of the TG. There is a whole line about group decision making and working together but in the end, the TG members act on their own despite what has otherwise been said.

Cheers....Lars

 

 

In the

Hi Lars,

I'm a bit lost, so in essence your main beef is over the way the money raised was spent, i.e. it could have been better used, budgeted and controlled and you think that you as the team should have been control over the budget? If so I agree, our Asia team did just that and it does put a different perspective on fund raising when you know that you need X Krona to buy enough petrol to get to India and X Krona for food, X for Visas and so on. I think also it would make people have a more positive outlook on fund raising if they new exactly where what they raised went in their team, even if it was on rent, bills and so forth, at least you'd know.

To be honest it never bothered me, I never gave it much thought, I know members on both teams I worked had issues with it and it cuased some members to quit.

That said, I hate selling post cards, hate it more than anything else in the world, thankfully on my second team in Sweden I worked at a chicken farm cleaning the pens...boy I stank..but it was better than postcards :O)

Cheers

Chris

The TG and all the activities - especially HUMANA would be very good - IF Amdi had the moral to resign - or TG members had the courage to ask him and his body guards to go. He is a very, very sick, afraid and small minded man.nn.

MD,

Why do you assume that I am not using my "time and effort to do some good"? For all you know I could be Desmond Tutu... And if you truly believe that TvindAlert contributors don't have lives outside this forum (unlike Tvindies that have no personal lives), you are sadly mistaken.

You try and call humana a "cult" because there a group of people working together to do what they believe in. So if you call humana a "cult" then what is tvind alert? Would you call yourselfs a cult because you work for what you so called "believe in" you use your time and effort to write all theses things why dont you use this time and effort to do some good. MD

Hi Chris and Jimmy, Actually I was at IICD not CCTG or the Danish schools. I should also probably restate since I think that my "commitment" sentence is not conveying what I was trying to get at. Mea culpa...just the result of typing something off very quickly late at night.

I'm not actually critiquing IICD for lack of support in the field. We were working with another NGO at the time who was very well organized and provided the logistical support that we needed. (Just to prove my "toughness quotient" - always necessary to avoid being casted as lazy - I too lived bare to the bone in the field, where spending ten cents on a newspaper was something we split between three people and a coke was a once a month luxury)

My critique is less about support away from the US and more about the fund-raising/training period. The energy of the TG members was clearly on fund-raising and left little time for the so-called "training" offered and left us fairly unprepared.

In terms of specific funny dealings with money, (1) we were led to believe that the money we were raising was for our project and only later found out that it was going to IICD's costs. Not necessarily a bad thing because someone has to pay for electricity but my impression was that our fund was raided because of an IICD budget shortfall. Hell, we might of even volunteered the money but we were never asked. (2) Upon return to the US, the pot of money that we had been budgeted for traveling and doing presentations was cut in half making it very difficult to do. Maybe I won't get CCTG to give a day by day breakdown of expenses but I learned to distrust the statements of TG organizations around money.

I actually don't buy the idea that the TG is paranoid simply because everyone is out to get them. I extended them a lot of trust but the misused it. As you sow, so shall you reap.

Lars

 

THERE IS NOTHING MORE PATHETIC THAN A GROWN MAN OR WOMAN WHO IS SO INSECURE THAT HE OR SHE HAS TO JOIN A NEO-MAOIST CULT LIKE TVIND!

THERE IS NOTHING MORE PATHETIC THAN A GROWN MAN OR WOMAN WHO IS SO INSECURE THEY HE OR SHE HAS TO JOIN A NEO-MAOIST CULT LIKE TVIND!

THERE IS NOTHING MORE PATHETIC THAN A GROWN MAN OR WOMAN WHO IS SO INSECURE THEY HE OR SHE TO JOIN A NEO-MAOIST CULT LIKE TVIND!

Lars

"It is just when we had to deal with the TG that things broke down. We were committed but the lack of any support and a lot of funny dealings with money was the problem. In a very real sense, any commitment for our group dropped off once we out of the US and away from fund-raising. "

How much commitment does that show? as soon as you were "on your own" doing what you trained for all commitment dropped?

Funny dealings with money, please specify

When you had to deal with TG things broke down, yeah, sure. "TG made us loose the commitment" or something??

Jimmy

Hi Lars,

So you went to CCTG then, not the danish schools? I'll agree that while I enjoyed my time working at Tvind and on various projects they can be a bit "protective" of the information, paranoid maybe.... then again you're not paranoid if everyone really is out to get you are you, which for Tvind, would seem to be the case.

"any commitment for our group dropped off once we out of the US and away from fund-raising. " Where did your team go and who was your LG teacher on the team. When I went to Zambia, our LG teacher Jostein was a pillar of strength and organization. At the same time, yes we were pretty much, on our own resources 95% of the time, but so what, that was what we had trained for, we didn't go to Zambia to be put in a nice hotel and baby sat for 3 months. We lived out in the bush doing our work, showered when water was available and ate chicken 3 times a day 5 to 6 times a week. Cola when available was a luxury...and usually served at30 degrees C.

I know that you'd like CCTG to give you a dollar by dollar break down of where the money goes from fund raising and school fees etc. But you'll never get it, just like you'd never get it from any private institute.

cheers

Chris

I totally agree with Bonnie why write all of your stories on this page what are you looking for smpathy well your not going to get it. Everyone who joins the program knows what their getting into before they start every single person knows that they will have to put 100% in to get results as in every job. I have been in one of the schools for a while now and i have met lots of intresting people from all parts of the world and from all different social backgrounds but they all have one thing in common they want to make a difference in this cruel world. This is where humana comes in, humana gives the people this chance the ones who really want to make a difference. Before i started this program i was stuck in a dead end job doing the same thing everyday seeing the same people everyday. Then one day i was surfing the net and came across humana web site looked into it and made further inquires and well here i am today having the best time of my life and with the company of some of the best people i have met. So if anyone reading this page is still intrested in joining a project and lets face it whats stopping you go to www.humana.org and look further into it and if you want phone one of the schools they will be happy to answer any questions you have. MD

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