TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

Thank you for your responses to my commnents below on the request for reports of actual meetings with Amdi Petersen. My comments are based solely on my experience in the TG schools in Denmark, so I cannot comment on Tvind as a development organisation. Just as I proposed that the TG follow the letter and spirit of the law regarding taxation and fiscalpolicy, I believe that they should also abide by whatever code of practice exists to ensure the good governance and maximum effectiveness of their development projects. For those who have not experienced Tvind, it is, as one person mentioned below, an experimental way of living, and can be a very renewing and rewarding experience. Steen Thomsen's report is written with extreme bias. I hope that not everyone will view Tvind and the TG in the manner in which he has painted it. I, like many of you, have criticisms of Tvind. But my criticisms are based on experience and a willingness to contribute constructively. Many of the criticisms offered on this site (though I accept by no means all) are not based on personal experience, but are merely prejudicial to the wish of TG members to live their lives collectively in the manner they choose. My hope is that they would continue to exist (and thrive) alongside the Danish or other educational systems and international aid and development organisations, but in a way that ensures they follow the letter and spirit of the law. The Danes have made a witchhunt of their persecution of Tvind and the TG. To those who consider me naive or the victim of subtle brainwashing, I assure you that my thoughts are based on long term consideration, but there is little I can offer in my defence. The accusation of naivety is a powerful and rather disarming one which may cause others to disregard my views. I could have said the same about you but I choose not to, favouring instead open debate. Former TG member

Dear All, Thanks for your comments and great insight into Tvind. I wanted to relocate to denmark and was offered a job with these people. I will not thank goodness, be taking it now. Shaun Schofield

I am in Humana couple of months,looking for other possibility to do something good in this world,but everyone wants me to pay...does anyone have idea if polish people can do something without paying charges? please,contact me desert_sky@poczta.gazeta.pl

Is it simply that people like the Former TG Member below are naive? Is that what it is? Is it that they are so truly uneducated, unskilled, inexperienced in how one goes about doing real, intentional development work, that they don't know enough to understand that the activities of Tvind are minimally effective for their supposed target populations? Or is it indeed brainwasing of a kind so subtle they can't see the forest for the trees. I guess it's a bit like an addict denying s/he's addicted.

Dear Mr.Former TG member : You would be ashamed for doing bad things, like this robbery Humana does in the name of the poorest Everything your organization makes is disgusting

A volunteer (euphemistically named 'development instructor')

The latest request on the home page of this site for reports from people who have actually met Amdi Petersen is a cynical exercise. It is an attempt at a self-fulfilling prophecy masquerading as an attempt to establish fact. Anyone who has read the personal reports that are already posted about the various experiences of former members of the TG and volunteers will know that the the findings are bound to focus on his 'charisma' and ability to 'manipulate' people. I don't think you really want to hear these accounts from people because you have already made up your mind(s) that Amdi and/or the TG is interested in mind-control or brain-washing. This exercise will only serve to reinforce the image that you already have/propagate about Amdi. For the record, I HAVE met Amdi. It was while I was a member of the TG, and he IS charismatic. But I dispute the assertion made in reports on your site (particulalry by former member and firemoeller/winestead principal Steen) that either Amdi P. or the TG are involved in mind control or brain-washing. That is nonsense. Everyone has a choice and we make our own decisions about what we do. There is none of the exploitation or pressure on people that some people have described. In my opinion, it is a great shame that Amdi is in jail. But though I support him and the TG movement I believe that the TG should have adopted a policy of full compliance with both the letter and the spirit of the law, particularly concerning tax and school finances. Perhaps it is not too late for them to start to do so now, and to cooperate with the investigation. I look forward to considered responses to this posting. Former TG member

I think this site needs a bulletin board so that messages can be organized discussions.

you should learn some polish, because text below i intersting piece of shit

Hi! I am a son of a member of the Teachers Group (since 1978). I have experinced a childhood where my mother found Tvind more important than her family. every agreement you could have with her, she would put aside if something regarding Tvind came in the way, the teachers group should decide what kind of upbringing me and my brothers should have, they should be heard when my mother got a new boyfriend, new years eve I often spend alone or with nabourgs,- never my mother, she was sent to work in the other end of the country even though she had two children living at home. My oldest brother should look after us,- etc etc My grandfathers enharitage has gone directly into Tvinds pockets

About our problems in Tvind and Bogence only heard from mouth of sectarians because not former together with us there and did not see what we we passed and refrigerator from Tvind closed on padlock we have on removal photo and many of other attraction this sects about of which Anka alias Marta yet does not know.

In school in Bogence are wooden cottages distant from schools and this there us one isolated during infomitingu by three days, we have this on casette video and on foto but are not these lies surprised because after such way of lie and churlishnesses which one treated us this sect became immunized on confessions uciekającej before life of girl of type Anka alias Marta.

In us nobody from this sects did not invest because behind all we paid with own moneys and we earned for this sects beyond 100 000 crowns Swedish which us one began cost of stay in this to sect this 8 000 of Danish crowns only for what? For lack of competence, too humiliating of people, for eating of which dog would not eat. Rule of activity of sect does not rely only on tilling collective sexu but all other elements of activity of sect are kept. We will not comment other statements this of which one garbage is Anka alias Marta because we loathe such people, whiches too worthless crowns give back souls this to sect, surely, that it is necessary to escape from Polands because sleeps oneself with friend of fiance, a fe.

Do some reading our post there write people whiches something passed in this to sect and of soul and of last trousers Elza Marii Pedersen and Humana not of distance. Are different people on world and you without honour and of ambition Mrs. Anka alias Marta.

Anka alias Marta you speak something and this you did not see because unfortunately was not you and us, and appointing oneself on words Elza Marii Pedersen of chief Netup of thief , which stoated us moneys, we attend for joke

Anka alias Marta you lay out to people something on theme of morals and not of history of Africa because to this first you have competences and to second no. Has to to you to be there well you do not judge?

AJ.

I can't speak for the other schools but I am sure that anyone who has worked at the Bustrup school will have had a great experience. The teachers there are committed people who genuinenly care about their students' welfare and development. I had a great time there and so did many other 'volunteers' and Teacher Group people that I knew well. They also did a lot for the ethnic minorities in the local area, like Palestinians and Tamils etc, who are often otherwise excluded from society at large to an extent in Denmark. They invited them to the school, had special programs for them at the schools, served halal food, encouraged diverse traditions and much more. There was a lot of theatre, music and sport, and caring for the environment and animals. I loved that place and the people, and there was certainly none of the 'exploitation' described by one writer below. I am sorry that the movement has taken a wrong turn with this tax evasion allegation and I hope they can get over it. I agree with the 'former TG member' below who said that they should go for full compliance with the letter and the spirit of the law. It would be a shame to see all that hard work gone to waste. I certainly wouldn't want to see the Bustrup school and teachers tarred with the same brush. That's my two pennies worth!

It's a shame that otherwise useful contributions like some below from the 'former TG member' for example seem to prompt such moronic responses. I was a vulunteer some years ago at a Danish Tvind school and I too found it a 'rewarding' experience personally. Of course we should all be doing things that reward us personally - it's not ALL about philanthropy. Perhaps because I am of rather more mature years than the 'average' volunteer (and I met many during my stint) I had few of the 'hang ups' that others describe. I did not find the organisation exploitative. I DID have many questions to raise with the principal at my school and the discussions about teaching techniques, materials, lifestyle were ongoing. But it was not exploitative. I did some work too for DAPP in Denmark and that too was rewarding for me and for my class group. Though classed as a 'volunteer' I received a reasonable wage and soem of my financial obligations in the UK were paid by the school. I know many of the other young volunteers and can't imagine any of them writing the accounts that this site posts. They all had a good time, more or less, and went on to do good things. I know of one who went on to be a TG member for two years but then quit, but remained at the school as a salaried teacher. As one of the TG teachers told me frequently: 'You can have it as you want it in the TG.'

GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE YOU SAD MUPPET!! iF YOU LIKE WRITING FICTION SO MUCH ,WHY DON'T YOU BECOME A NOVELIST OR SOMETHING !OR BETTER YET HAVE A WANK!"!

bE CAREFUL WHAT YOU READ PEOPLE,THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH PERSONAL GRUDGES AGAINST THE TEACHER GROUP,I.E THE GUY WHO WROTE THIS SITE WAS BROBABLY BULLIED AT SCHOOL AND CALLED NAMES ALL HIS LIFE,THEN DECIDED TO BECOME A TEACHER,BUT!! FAILED MISSERABLY,SO! STARTED TO MAKE FAKE STUPID WEB PAGES RUBBISHING THE ORGANIZATION THAT REJECTED HIM 18 YEARS AGO!!

Anybody is welcome to visit tvind for the day if they have any questions towards what rubbish this web page is writing.If tvind is a cult why does the danish government send problem kids in denmark to tvind schools.Why has the school at tvind been accepted and recognized by the ringkobing amt kommune.You have to tell the truth site.Who ever made this site is brainwashing people to believe what he or she wants.When i find out who this site belongs too,they will be in a alot of TROUBLE!!

i think the tvind organization is doing a brilliant job!!!!!!!!!!!

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

Former TG Member:

Tvind has been passed off to you as being "an experiment in living." In reality it is an experiment in how much Tvind can get away with, making money off the backs of ego-centered persons like you who want to believe they are living lofty, novel and insightful lives. Every "former TG member" who continues to defend Tvind seems to need to sidestep that reality, so obviously Tvind's fun little experiment is working. What colour are the emperor's clothes today, did you say?

You say it was rewarding for you to live "in the way of Tvind." At least you are honest enough to admit that your involvement was about YOU, for your own reward. (as opposed to proclaiming your reasons for involvement to be for service, for the betterment of the world -- TG members often skew that perception-- that is to say, that what they want to perceive as making a BIG, IMPORTANT contribution is actually just an experiment in patting themselves on the back for blindly doing what their leaders are telling them is "the right work, the only work, the very BEST kind of work" -- You, it seems are at least saying you were involved with the TG because what you did, whatever it was, felt good to YOU. It's all about motivation.)

If the TG wants to go off and live their lives collectively, without exploiting anybody (from child "small school students" to volunteers to the "targets-populations" of ill-founded, half-formulated development projects in the Third World, to NGOs, to the well-meaning governmental bodies -- scorned all the way by the TG -- who have been convinced over the years to fund TG programmes all over the world in the name of selfless service), I have no problem with that. And I would have no problem with the TG using the money they make (ALL OF IT) to actually do the work they say they are doing with it. But the TG isn't set up to work like that -- it hasn't been from the first. It's set up to make money -- LOTS OF IT -- for the interests of the upper echelon TG leaders. If you don't understand that, then you ARE naive.

My experience with Tvind and the TG confirms everything Steen Thomsen had to say in his report. Where have you been that YOU don't see it?

Surprise, surprise, Nicaragua!!! Do you remember Guatemala mess?

Uli, > >I have not written to you directly before now for a number of reasons. The >most predominant being that I am so disappointed I do not know what to say. >However, I also know that Schuyler has actually phoned IICD to inform you >about what is going on here and that Jacob has received a number of >messages about the situation. And yet we have seen no positive input from >anyone. > >The situation is worse than I could have imagined. And it is all due to >mismanagement and lack of organisation and communication. > >You didn't realise that we do not have real work to do.let me explain my >'project'. I signed up to participate in six months of development work. It >is a JOKE. In the beginning, I was running errands for Elisabeth (going to >the bank, photocopying, picking up files - all the mundane stuff she didn't >want to do). I worked on the audit for a while, but was unable to complete >a whole task because Elisabeth could not be relied upon to give me all the >information I needed. I also had to leaf through ALL the organisation's >files since its beginning to find all the instances where taxes were not >paid - a task that involved clipping little bits of paper to receipts to >highlight other people's mistakes (or deceit). Then I was given a report to >compile for the Child Aid projects to advertise their achievements on the >internet, a document that will be irrelevant in three months time as the >projects will not exist (assuming, of course, >they do not collapse before). This is why the experience is a waste of my >time. > >Clearly the administration position was invented to deal with the fact that >you have too many DIs here. It is not a real job; Elisabeth just needed an >assistant. And I am not the person for that. Aside from the fact that it >requires someone who is willing to take orders, who has no initiative and >lacks any self motivation, I joined this program as a volunteer who wanted >to participate in grassroots development work. This has not happened. > >So, personally, I feel like I have been misled and outright deceived by >IICD and Planet Aid. All those brochures and leaflets you have promoting >the organisation are filled with lies. I have not experienced any of the >development work promised therein. The CATeam was forced to take positions >that were not even mentioned when each of us joined. And then when we get >here they turn out to be fabrications anyway because you didn't know what >else to do with us. > >As for the situation now, the projects here are clearly NOT sustainable. >There is no consideration for any of the people who are actually employed >by Planet Aid. In no more than three months time these people will lose >their jobs. Then what happens? Not to mention all the people who are >actually benefiting from the work initiated by the few CATeam members who >work in El Viejo. And this organisation considers itself to be >humanitarian. > >There is NO money here. Humana has apparently sent $2000, which when it >arrives will all be needed to pay the debts that have accumulated. And then >the organisation will have no more money again. Each member of the team is >owed an average of $80 in stipend money. We go days without receiving any >money and have had more than one occasion when we literally have NO money, >even to buy food. And how did we reach this point? Mismanagement. We warned >Elisabeth six weeks ago that this was coming and she did nothing. The >project moves from one crisis to the next and not one of them is dealt with >efficiently. I fear its downfall looms ever closer. > >How utterly disappointing to have worked all these months for this. I spent >all my savings on this experience and I have been continually let down. You >have failed in your contractual obligation to provide us with the >experience promised to us. You have failed in your contractual obligation >to provide a stipend for our living expenses. In seventeen days time our >visas run out. What is going to happen then? Not one of us is going to hand >over our passports to Elisabeth, as we do not trust her. She has withheld >information from us and outright lied to us. Does this sound like someone >we can trust? > >As you will see there are several people copied into this message (not >least the entire CATeam, as you mentioned you do not have their e-mail >addresses - yet another example of lack of organisation) - I feel as many >people as possible should know what is going on. And if anyone believes >there are more people who should be informed, then please forward the >message on. Down here it feels like we are caught in a conspiracy where the >story changes every time we ask for an explanation. Elisabeth has literally >refused to answer my questions by saying that she has already answered too >many. What is that all about? > >So, we are in limbo here. Everything started to fall apart last week and >then we dispersed for Easter to escape the unnecessary stresses we face >every day here. Now upon our return, we are simply waiting. Elisabeth had >disappeared when we returned. And in this time, we are thinking about the >all the people who supported us.our families and friends, the people we >fundraised. They gave us money and goodwill to make a difference. They all >believed in us and now we have let them down. Because the organisation has >failed to live up to its responsibilities. I have no idea what you are >going to do with this information. I would like to think you are going to >help, but I do not see how. This is a terrible failure, made worse by the >fact that it just needed some forethought and planning. And if you think I >am exaggerating any of this, you can ask anyone here in Managua, where we >have had the opportunity to observe Elisabeth work for the past two months. >And that is all we can do.watch as our dreams fall apart at the hands of >incompetence. We have tried to help, but Elisabeth does not listen to our >opinions or give us any opportunity to make decisions. We are prevented >from working as a team through her failure to fully inform us about what is >going on. As for leading the Africa team. You explain to me how you think I >could lead another group of souls with good hearts and a desire to make a >positive difference into this nightmare. I await with anticipation your >response.

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

Thank you for your responses to my commnents below on the request for reports of actual meetings with Amdi Petersen. My comments are based solely on my experience in the TG schools in Denmark, so I cannot comment on Tvind as a development organisation. Just as I proposed that the TG follow the letter and spirit of the law regarding taxation and fiscalpolicy, I believe that they should also abide by whatever code of practice exists to ensure the good governance and maximum effectiveness of their development projects. For those who have not experienced Tvind, it is, as one person mentioned below, an experimental way of living, and can be a very renewing and rewarding experience. Steen Thomsen's report is written with extreme bias. I hope that not everyone will view Tvind and the TG in the manner in which he has painted it. I, like many of you, have criticisms of Tvind. But my criticisms are based on experience and a willingness to contribute constructively. Many of the criticisms offered on this site (though I accept by no means all) are not based on personal experience, but are merely prejudicial to the wish of TG members to live their lives collectively in the manner they choose. My hope is that they would continue to exist (and thrive) alongside the Danish or other educational systems and international aid and development organisations, but in a way that ensures they follow the letter and spirit of the law. The Danes have made a witchhunt of their persecution of Tvind and the TG. To those who consider me naive or the victim of subtle brainwashing, I assure you that my thoughts are based on long term consideration, but there is little I can offer in my defence. The accusation of naivety is a powerful and rather disarming one which may cause others to disregard my views. I could have said the same about you but I choose not to, favouring instead open debate. Former TG member

Dear All, Thanks for your comments and great insight into Tvind. I wanted to relocate to denmark and was offered a job with these people. I will not thank goodness, be taking it now. Shaun Schofield

I am in Humana couple of months,looking for other possibility to do something good in this world,but everyone wants me to pay...does anyone have idea if polish people can do something without paying charges? please,contact me desert_sky@poczta.gazeta.pl

Is it simply that people like the Former TG Member below are naive? Is that what it is? Is it that they are so truly uneducated, unskilled, inexperienced in how one goes about doing real, intentional development work, that they don't know enough to understand that the activities of Tvind are minimally effective for their supposed target populations? Or is it indeed brainwasing of a kind so subtle they can't see the forest for the trees. I guess it's a bit like an addict denying s/he's addicted.

Dear Mr.Former TG member : You would be ashamed for doing bad things, like this robbery Humana does in the name of the poorest Everything your organization makes is disgusting

A volunteer (euphemistically named 'development instructor')

The latest request on the home page of this site for reports from people who have actually met Amdi Petersen is a cynical exercise. It is an attempt at a self-fulfilling prophecy masquerading as an attempt to establish fact. Anyone who has read the personal reports that are already posted about the various experiences of former members of the TG and volunteers will know that the the findings are bound to focus on his 'charisma' and ability to 'manipulate' people. I don't think you really want to hear these accounts from people because you have already made up your mind(s) that Amdi and/or the TG is interested in mind-control or brain-washing. This exercise will only serve to reinforce the image that you already have/propagate about Amdi. For the record, I HAVE met Amdi. It was while I was a member of the TG, and he IS charismatic. But I dispute the assertion made in reports on your site (particulalry by former member and firemoeller/winestead principal Steen) that either Amdi P. or the TG are involved in mind control or brain-washing. That is nonsense. Everyone has a choice and we make our own decisions about what we do. There is none of the exploitation or pressure on people that some people have described. In my opinion, it is a great shame that Amdi is in jail. But though I support him and the TG movement I believe that the TG should have adopted a policy of full compliance with both the letter and the spirit of the law, particularly concerning tax and school finances. Perhaps it is not too late for them to start to do so now, and to cooperate with the investigation. I look forward to considered responses to this posting. Former TG member

I think this site needs a bulletin board so that messages can be organized discussions.

you should learn some polish, because text below i intersting piece of shit

Hi! I am a son of a member of the Teachers Group (since 1978). I have experinced a childhood where my mother found Tvind more important than her family. every agreement you could have with her, she would put aside if something regarding Tvind came in the way, the teachers group should decide what kind of upbringing me and my brothers should have, they should be heard when my mother got a new boyfriend, new years eve I often spend alone or with nabourgs,- never my mother, she was sent to work in the other end of the country even though she had two children living at home. My oldest brother should look after us,- etc etc My grandfathers enharitage has gone directly into Tvinds pockets

In school in Bogence are wooden cottages distant from schools and this there us one isolated during infomitingu by three days, we have this on casette video and on foto but are not these lies surprised because after such way of lie and churlishnesses which one treated us this sect became immunized on confessions uciekającej before life of girl of type Anka alias Marta.

In us nobody from this sects did not invest because behind all we paid with own moneys and we earned for this sects beyond 100 000 crowns Swedish which us one began cost of stay in this to sect this 8 000 of Danish crowns only for what? For lack of competence, too humiliating of people, for eating of which dog would not eat. Rule of activity of sect does not rely only on tilling collective sexu but all other elements of activity of sect are kept. We will not comment other statements this of which one garbage is Anka alias Marta because we loathe such people, whiches too worthless crowns give back souls this to sect, surely, that it is necessary to escape from Polands because sleeps oneself with friend of fiance, a fe.

Do some reading our post there write people whiches something passed in this to sect and of soul and of last trousers Elza Marii Pedersen and Humana not of distance. Are different people on world and you without honour and of ambition Mrs. Anka alias Marta.

Anka alias Marta you speak something and this you did not see because unfortunately was not you and us, and appointing oneself on words Elza Marii Pedersen of chief Netup of thief , which stoated us moneys, we attend for joke

Anka alias Marta you lay out to people something on theme of morals and not of history of Africa because to this first you have competences and to second no. Has to to you to be there well you do not judge?

AJ.

I can't speak for the other schools but I am sure that anyone who has worked at the Bustrup school will have had a great experience. The teachers there are committed people who genuinenly care about their students' welfare and development. I had a great time there and so did many other 'volunteers' and Teacher Group people that I knew well. They also did a lot for the ethnic minorities in the local area, like Palestinians and Tamils etc, who are often otherwise excluded from society at large to an extent in Denmark. They invited them to the school, had special programs for them at the schools, served halal food, encouraged diverse traditions and much more. There was a lot of theatre, music and sport, and caring for the environment and animals. I loved that place and the people, and there was certainly none of the 'exploitation' described by one writer below. I am sorry that the movement has taken a wrong turn with this tax evasion allegation and I hope they can get over it. I agree with the 'former TG member' below who said that they should go for full compliance with the letter and the spirit of the law. It would be a shame to see all that hard work gone to waste. I certainly wouldn't want to see the Bustrup school and teachers tarred with the same brush. That's my two pennies worth!

It's a shame that otherwise useful contributions like some below from the 'former TG member' for example seem to prompt such moronic responses. I was a vulunteer some years ago at a Danish Tvind school and I too found it a 'rewarding' experience personally. Of course we should all be doing things that reward us personally - it's not ALL about philanthropy. Perhaps because I am of rather more mature years than the 'average' volunteer (and I met many during my stint) I had few of the 'hang ups' that others describe. I did not find the organisation exploitative. I DID have many questions to raise with the principal at my school and the discussions about teaching techniques, materials, lifestyle were ongoing. But it was not exploitative. I did some work too for DAPP in Denmark and that too was rewarding for me and for my class group. Though classed as a 'volunteer' I received a reasonable wage and soem of my financial obligations in the UK were paid by the school. I know many of the other young volunteers and can't imagine any of them writing the accounts that this site posts. They all had a good time, more or less, and went on to do good things. I know of one who went on to be a TG member for two years but then quit, but remained at the school as a salaried teacher. As one of the TG teachers told me frequently: 'You can have it as you want it in the TG.'

GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE YOU SAD MUPPET!! iF YOU LIKE WRITING FICTION SO MUCH ,WHY DON'T YOU BECOME A NOVELIST OR SOMETHING !OR BETTER YET HAVE A WANK!"!

bE CAREFUL WHAT YOU READ PEOPLE,THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH PERSONAL GRUDGES AGAINST THE TEACHER GROUP,I.E THE GUY WHO WROTE THIS SITE WAS BROBABLY BULLIED AT SCHOOL AND CALLED NAMES ALL HIS LIFE,THEN DECIDED TO BECOME A TEACHER,BUT!! FAILED MISSERABLY,SO! STARTED TO MAKE FAKE STUPID WEB PAGES RUBBISHING THE ORGANIZATION THAT REJECTED HIM 18 YEARS AGO!!

Anybody is welcome to visit tvind for the day if they have any questions towards what rubbish this web page is writing.If tvind is a cult why does the danish government send problem kids in denmark to tvind schools.Why has the school at tvind been accepted and recognized by the ringkobing amt kommune.You have to tell the truth site.Who ever made this site is brainwashing people to believe what he or she wants.When i find out who this site belongs too,they will be in a alot of TROUBLE!!

i think the tvind organization is doing a brilliant job!!!!!!!!!!!

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

Former TG Member:

Tvind has been passed off to you as being "an experiment in living." In reality it is an experiment in how much Tvind can get away with, making money off the backs of ego-centered persons like you who want to believe they are living lofty, novel and insightful lives. Every "former TG member" who continues to defend Tvind seems to need to sidestep that reality, so obviously Tvind's fun little experiment is working. What colour are the emperor's clothes today, did you say?

You say it was rewarding for you to live "in the way of Tvind." At least you are honest enough to admit that your involvement was about YOU, for your own reward. (as opposed to proclaiming your reasons for involvement to be for service, for the betterment of the world -- TG members often skew that perception-- that is to say, that what they want to perceive as making a BIG, IMPORTANT contribution is actually just an experiment in patting themselves on the back for blindly doing what their leaders are telling them is "the right work, the only work, the very BEST kind of work" -- You, it seems are at least saying you were involved with the TG because what you did, whatever it was, felt good to YOU. It's all about motivation.)

If the TG wants to go off and live their lives collectively, without exploiting anybody (from child "small school students" to volunteers to the "targets-populations" of ill-founded, half-formulated development projects in the Third World, to NGOs, to the well-meaning governmental bodies -- scorned all the way by the TG -- who have been convinced over the years to fund TG programmes all over the world in the name of selfless service), I have no problem with that. And I would have no problem with the TG using the money they make (ALL OF IT) to actually do the work they say they are doing with it. But the TG isn't set up to work like that -- it hasn't been from the first. It's set up to make money -- LOTS OF IT -- for the interests of the upper echelon TG leaders. If you don't understand that, then you ARE naive.

My experience with Tvind and the TG confirms everything Steen Thomsen had to say in his report. Where have you been that YOU don't see it?

Surprise, surprise, Nicaragua!!! Do you remember Guatemala mess?

Uli, > >I have not written to you directly before now for a number of reasons. The >most predominant being that I am so disappointed I do not know what to say. >However, I also know that Schuyler has actually phoned IICD to inform you >about what is going on here and that Jacob has received a number of >messages about the situation. And yet we have seen no positive input from >anyone. > >The situation is worse than I could have imagined. And it is all due to >mismanagement and lack of organisation and communication. > >You didn't realise that we do not have real work to do.let me explain my >'project'. I signed up to participate in six months of development work. It >is a JOKE. In the beginning, I was running errands for Elisabeth (going to >the bank, photocopying, picking up files - all the mundane stuff she didn't >want to do). I worked on the audit for a while, but was unable to complete >a whole task because Elisabeth could not be relied upon to give me all the >information I needed. I also had to leaf through ALL the organisation's >files since its beginning to find all the instances where taxes were not >paid - a task that involved clipping little bits of paper to receipts to >highlight other people's mistakes (or deceit). Then I was given a report to >compile for the Child Aid projects to advertise their achievements on the >internet, a document that will be irrelevant in three months time as the >projects will not exist (assuming, of course, >they do not collapse before). This is why the experience is a waste of my >time. > >Clearly the administration position was invented to deal with the fact that >you have too many DIs here. It is not a real job; Elisabeth just needed an >assistant. And I am not the person for that. Aside from the fact that it >requires someone who is willing to take orders, who has no initiative and >lacks any self motivation, I joined this program as a volunteer who wanted >to participate in grassroots development work. This has not happened. > >So, personally, I feel like I have been misled and outright deceived by >IICD and Planet Aid. All those brochures and leaflets you have promoting >the organisation are filled with lies. I have not experienced any of the >development work promised therein. The CATeam was forced to take positions >that were not even mentioned when each of us joined. And then when we get >here they turn out to be fabrications anyway because you didn't know what >else to do with us. > >As for the situation now, the projects here are clearly NOT sustainable. >There is no consideration for any of the people who are actually employed >by Planet Aid. In no more than three months time these people will lose >their jobs. Then what happens? Not to mention all the people who are >actually benefiting from the work initiated by the few CATeam members who >work in El Viejo. And this organisation considers itself to be >humanitarian. > >There is NO money here. Humana has apparently sent $2000, which when it >arrives will all be needed to pay the debts that have accumulated. And then >the organisation will have no more money again. Each member of the team is >owed an average of $80 in stipend money. We go days without receiving any >money and have had more than one occasion when we literally have NO money, >even to buy food. And how did we reach this point? Mismanagement. We warned >Elisabeth six weeks ago that this was coming and she did nothing. The >project moves from one crisis to the next and not one of them is dealt with >efficiently. I fear its downfall looms ever closer. > >How utterly disappointing to have worked all these months for this. I spent >all my savings on this experience and I have been continually let down. You >have failed in your contractual obligation to provide us with the >experience promised to us. You have failed in your contractual obligation >to provide a stipend for our living expenses. In seventeen days time our >visas run out. What is going to happen then? Not one of us is going to hand >over our passports to Elisabeth, as we do not trust her. She has withheld >information from us and outright lied to us. Does this sound like someone >we can trust? > >As you will see there are several people copied into this message (not >least the entire CATeam, as you mentioned you do not have their e-mail >addresses - yet another example of lack of organisation) - I feel as many >people as possible should know what is going on. And if anyone believes >there are more people who should be informed, then please forward the >message on. Down here it feels like we are caught in a conspiracy where the >story changes every time we ask for an explanation. Elisabeth has literally >refused to answer my questions by saying that she has already answered too >many. What is that all about? > >So, we are in limbo here. Everything started to fall apart last week and >then we dispersed for Easter to escape the unnecessary stresses we face >every day here. Now upon our return, we are simply waiting. Elisabeth had >disappeared when we returned. And in this time, we are thinking about the >all the people who supported us.our families and friends, the people we >fundraised. They gave us money and goodwill to make a difference. They all >believed in us and now we have let them down. Because the organisation has >failed to live up to its responsibilities. I have no idea what you are >going to do with this information. I would like to think you are going to >help, but I do not see how. This is a terrible failure, made worse by the >fact that it just needed some forethought and planning. And if you think I >am exaggerating any of this, you can ask anyone here in Managua, where we >have had the opportunity to observe Elisabeth work for the past two months. >And that is all we can do.watch as our dreams fall apart at the hands of >incompetence. We have tried to help, but Elisabeth does not listen to our >opinions or give us any opportunity to make decisions. We are prevented >from working as a team through her failure to fully inform us about what is >going on. As for leading the Africa team. You explain to me how you think I >could lead another group of souls with good hearts and a desire to make a >positive difference into this nightmare. I await with anticipation your >response.

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

Thank you for your responses to my commnents below on the request for reports of actual meetings with Amdi Petersen. My comments are based solely on my experience in the TG schools in Denmark, so I cannot comment on Tvind as a development organisation. Just as I proposed that the TG follow the letter and spirit of the law regarding taxation and fiscalpolicy, I believe that they should also abide by whatever code of practice exists to ensure the good governance and maximum effectiveness of their development projects. For those who have not experienced Tvind, it is, as one person mentioned below, an experimental way of living, and can be a very renewing and rewarding experience. Steen Thomsen's report is written with extreme bias. I hope that not everyone will view Tvind and the TG in the manner in which he has painted it. I, like many of you, have criticisms of Tvind. But my criticisms are based on experience and a willingness to contribute constructively. Many of the criticisms offered on this site (though I accept by no means all) are not based on personal experience, but are merely prejudicial to the wish of TG members to live their lives collectively in the manner they choose. My hope is that they would continue to exist (and thrive) alongside the Danish or other educational systems and international aid and development organisations, but in a way that ensures they follow the letter and spirit of the law. The Danes have made a witchhunt of their persecution of Tvind and the TG. To those who consider me naive or the victim of subtle brainwashing, I assure you that my thoughts are based on long term consideration, but there is little I can offer in my defence. The accusation of naivety is a powerful and rather disarming one which may cause others to disregard my views. I could have said the same about you but I choose not to, favouring instead open debate. Former TG member

Dear All, Thanks for your comments and great insight into Tvind. I wanted to relocate to denmark and was offered a job with these people. I will not thank goodness, be taking it now. Shaun Schofield

I am in Humana couple of months,looking for other possibility to do something good in this world,but everyone wants me to pay...does anyone have idea if polish people can do something without paying charges? please,contact me desert_sky@poczta.gazeta.pl

Is it simply that people like the Former TG Member below are naive? Is that what it is? Is it that they are so truly uneducated, unskilled, inexperienced in how one goes about doing real, intentional development work, that they don't know enough to understand that the activities of Tvind are minimally effective for their supposed target populations? Or is it indeed brainwasing of a kind so subtle they can't see the forest for the trees. I guess it's a bit like an addict denying s/he's addicted.

Dear Mr.Former TG member : You would be ashamed for doing bad things, like this robbery Humana does in the name of the poorest Everything your organization makes is disgusting

A volunteer (euphemistically named 'development instructor')

The latest request on the home page of this site for reports from people who have actually met Amdi Petersen is a cynical exercise. It is an attempt at a self-fulfilling prophecy masquerading as an attempt to establish fact. Anyone who has read the personal reports that are already posted about the various experiences of former members of the TG and volunteers will know that the the findings are bound to focus on his 'charisma' and ability to 'manipulate' people. I don't think you really want to hear these accounts from people because you have already made up your mind(s) that Amdi and/or the TG is interested in mind-control or brain-washing. This exercise will only serve to reinforce the image that you already have/propagate about Amdi. For the record, I HAVE met Amdi. It was while I was a member of the TG, and he IS charismatic. But I dispute the assertion made in reports on your site (particulalry by former member and firemoeller/winestead principal Steen) that either Amdi P. or the TG are involved in mind control or brain-washing. That is nonsense. Everyone has a choice and we make our own decisions about what we do. There is none of the exploitation or pressure on people that some people have described. In my opinion, it is a great shame that Amdi is in jail. But though I support him and the TG movement I believe that the TG should have adopted a policy of full compliance with both the letter and the spirit of the law, particularly concerning tax and school finances. Perhaps it is not too late for them to start to do so now, and to cooperate with the investigation. I look forward to considered responses to this posting. Former TG member

I think this site needs a bulletin board so that messages can be organized discussions.

you should learn some polish, because text below i intersting piece of shit

Hi! I am a son of a member of the Teachers Group (since 1978). I have experinced a childhood where my mother found Tvind more important than her family. every agreement you could have with her, she would put aside if something regarding Tvind came in the way, the teachers group should decide what kind of upbringing me and my brothers should have, they should be heard when my mother got a new boyfriend, new years eve I often spend alone or with nabourgs,- never my mother, she was sent to work in the other end of the country even though she had two children living at home. My oldest brother should look after us,- etc etc My grandfathers enharitage has gone directly into Tvinds pockets

In us nobody from this sects did not invest because behind all we paid with own moneys and we earned for this sects beyond 100 000 crowns Swedish which us one began cost of stay in this to sect this 8 000 of Danish crowns only for what? For lack of competence, too humiliating of people, for eating of which dog would not eat. Rule of activity of sect does not rely only on tilling collective sexu but all other elements of activity of sect are kept. We will not comment other statements this of which one garbage is Anka alias Marta because we loathe such people, whiches too worthless crowns give back souls this to sect, surely, that it is necessary to escape from Polands because sleeps oneself with friend of fiance, a fe.

Do some reading our post there write people whiches something passed in this to sect and of soul and of last trousers Elza Marii Pedersen and Humana not of distance. Are different people on world and you without honour and of ambition Mrs. Anka alias Marta.

Anka alias Marta you speak something and this you did not see because unfortunately was not you and us, and appointing oneself on words Elza Marii Pedersen of chief Netup of thief , which stoated us moneys, we attend for joke

Anka alias Marta you lay out to people something on theme of morals and not of history of Africa because to this first you have competences and to second no. Has to to you to be there well you do not judge?

AJ.

I can't speak for the other schools but I am sure that anyone who has worked at the Bustrup school will have had a great experience. The teachers there are committed people who genuinenly care about their students' welfare and development. I had a great time there and so did many other 'volunteers' and Teacher Group people that I knew well. They also did a lot for the ethnic minorities in the local area, like Palestinians and Tamils etc, who are often otherwise excluded from society at large to an extent in Denmark. They invited them to the school, had special programs for them at the schools, served halal food, encouraged diverse traditions and much more. There was a lot of theatre, music and sport, and caring for the environment and animals. I loved that place and the people, and there was certainly none of the 'exploitation' described by one writer below. I am sorry that the movement has taken a wrong turn with this tax evasion allegation and I hope they can get over it. I agree with the 'former TG member' below who said that they should go for full compliance with the letter and the spirit of the law. It would be a shame to see all that hard work gone to waste. I certainly wouldn't want to see the Bustrup school and teachers tarred with the same brush. That's my two pennies worth!

It's a shame that otherwise useful contributions like some below from the 'former TG member' for example seem to prompt such moronic responses. I was a vulunteer some years ago at a Danish Tvind school and I too found it a 'rewarding' experience personally. Of course we should all be doing things that reward us personally - it's not ALL about philanthropy. Perhaps because I am of rather more mature years than the 'average' volunteer (and I met many during my stint) I had few of the 'hang ups' that others describe. I did not find the organisation exploitative. I DID have many questions to raise with the principal at my school and the discussions about teaching techniques, materials, lifestyle were ongoing. But it was not exploitative. I did some work too for DAPP in Denmark and that too was rewarding for me and for my class group. Though classed as a 'volunteer' I received a reasonable wage and soem of my financial obligations in the UK were paid by the school. I know many of the other young volunteers and can't imagine any of them writing the accounts that this site posts. They all had a good time, more or less, and went on to do good things. I know of one who went on to be a TG member for two years but then quit, but remained at the school as a salaried teacher. As one of the TG teachers told me frequently: 'You can have it as you want it in the TG.'

GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE YOU SAD MUPPET!! iF YOU LIKE WRITING FICTION SO MUCH ,WHY DON'T YOU BECOME A NOVELIST OR SOMETHING !OR BETTER YET HAVE A WANK!"!

bE CAREFUL WHAT YOU READ PEOPLE,THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH PERSONAL GRUDGES AGAINST THE TEACHER GROUP,I.E THE GUY WHO WROTE THIS SITE WAS BROBABLY BULLIED AT SCHOOL AND CALLED NAMES ALL HIS LIFE,THEN DECIDED TO BECOME A TEACHER,BUT!! FAILED MISSERABLY,SO! STARTED TO MAKE FAKE STUPID WEB PAGES RUBBISHING THE ORGANIZATION THAT REJECTED HIM 18 YEARS AGO!!

Anybody is welcome to visit tvind for the day if they have any questions towards what rubbish this web page is writing.If tvind is a cult why does the danish government send problem kids in denmark to tvind schools.Why has the school at tvind been accepted and recognized by the ringkobing amt kommune.You have to tell the truth site.Who ever made this site is brainwashing people to believe what he or she wants.When i find out who this site belongs too,they will be in a alot of TROUBLE!!

i think the tvind organization is doing a brilliant job!!!!!!!!!!!

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

Former TG Member:

Tvind has been passed off to you as being "an experiment in living." In reality it is an experiment in how much Tvind can get away with, making money off the backs of ego-centered persons like you who want to believe they are living lofty, novel and insightful lives. Every "former TG member" who continues to defend Tvind seems to need to sidestep that reality, so obviously Tvind's fun little experiment is working. What colour are the emperor's clothes today, did you say?

You say it was rewarding for you to live "in the way of Tvind." At least you are honest enough to admit that your involvement was about YOU, for your own reward. (as opposed to proclaiming your reasons for involvement to be for service, for the betterment of the world -- TG members often skew that perception-- that is to say, that what they want to perceive as making a BIG, IMPORTANT contribution is actually just an experiment in patting themselves on the back for blindly doing what their leaders are telling them is "the right work, the only work, the very BEST kind of work" -- You, it seems are at least saying you were involved with the TG because what you did, whatever it was, felt good to YOU. It's all about motivation.)

If the TG wants to go off and live their lives collectively, without exploiting anybody (from child "small school students" to volunteers to the "targets-populations" of ill-founded, half-formulated development projects in the Third World, to NGOs, to the well-meaning governmental bodies -- scorned all the way by the TG -- who have been convinced over the years to fund TG programmes all over the world in the name of selfless service), I have no problem with that. And I would have no problem with the TG using the money they make (ALL OF IT) to actually do the work they say they are doing with it. But the TG isn't set up to work like that -- it hasn't been from the first. It's set up to make money -- LOTS OF IT -- for the interests of the upper echelon TG leaders. If you don't understand that, then you ARE naive.

My experience with Tvind and the TG confirms everything Steen Thomsen had to say in his report. Where have you been that YOU don't see it?

Surprise, surprise, Nicaragua!!! Do you remember Guatemala mess?

Uli, > >I have not written to you directly before now for a number of reasons. The >most predominant being that I am so disappointed I do not know what to say. >However, I also know that Schuyler has actually phoned IICD to inform you >about what is going on here and that Jacob has received a number of >messages about the situation. And yet we have seen no positive input from >anyone. > >The situation is worse than I could have imagined. And it is all due to >mismanagement and lack of organisation and communication. > >You didn't realise that we do not have real work to do.let me explain my >'project'. I signed up to participate in six months of development work. It >is a JOKE. In the beginning, I was running errands for Elisabeth (going to >the bank, photocopying, picking up files - all the mundane stuff she didn't >want to do). I worked on the audit for a while, but was unable to complete >a whole task because Elisabeth could not be relied upon to give me all the >information I needed. I also had to leaf through ALL the organisation's >files since its beginning to find all the instances where taxes were not >paid - a task that involved clipping little bits of paper to receipts to >highlight other people's mistakes (or deceit). Then I was given a report to >compile for the Child Aid projects to advertise their achievements on the >internet, a document that will be irrelevant in three months time as the >projects will not exist (assuming, of course, >they do not collapse before). This is why the experience is a waste of my >time. > >Clearly the administration position was invented to deal with the fact that >you have too many DIs here. It is not a real job; Elisabeth just needed an >assistant. And I am not the person for that. Aside from the fact that it >requires someone who is willing to take orders, who has no initiative and >lacks any self motivation, I joined this program as a volunteer who wanted >to participate in grassroots development work. This has not happened. > >So, personally, I feel like I have been misled and outright deceived by >IICD and Planet Aid. All those brochures and leaflets you have promoting >the organisation are filled with lies. I have not experienced any of the >development work promised therein. The CATeam was forced to take positions >that were not even mentioned when each of us joined. And then when we get >here they turn out to be fabrications anyway because you didn't know what >else to do with us. > >As for the situation now, the projects here are clearly NOT sustainable. >There is no consideration for any of the people who are actually employed >by Planet Aid. In no more than three months time these people will lose >their jobs. Then what happens? Not to mention all the people who are >actually benefiting from the work initiated by the few CATeam members who >work in El Viejo. And this organisation considers itself to be >humanitarian. > >There is NO money here. Humana has apparently sent $2000, which when it >arrives will all be needed to pay the debts that have accumulated. And then >the organisation will have no more money again. Each member of the team is >owed an average of $80 in stipend money. We go days without receiving any >money and have had more than one occasion when we literally have NO money, >even to buy food. And how did we reach this point? Mismanagement. We warned >Elisabeth six weeks ago that this was coming and she did nothing. The >project moves from one crisis to the next and not one of them is dealt with >efficiently. I fear its downfall looms ever closer. > >How utterly disappointing to have worked all these months for this. I spent >all my savings on this experience and I have been continually let down. You >have failed in your contractual obligation to provide us with the >experience promised to us. You have failed in your contractual obligation >to provide a stipend for our living expenses. In seventeen days time our >visas run out. What is going to happen then? Not one of us is going to hand >over our passports to Elisabeth, as we do not trust her. She has withheld >information from us and outright lied to us. Does this sound like someone >we can trust? > >As you will see there are several people copied into this message (not >least the entire CATeam, as you mentioned you do not have their e-mail >addresses - yet another example of lack of organisation) - I feel as many >people as possible should know what is going on. And if anyone believes >there are more people who should be informed, then please forward the >message on. Down here it feels like we are caught in a conspiracy where the >story changes every time we ask for an explanation. Elisabeth has literally >refused to answer my questions by saying that she has already answered too >many. What is that all about? > >So, we are in limbo here. Everything started to fall apart last week and >then we dispersed for Easter to escape the unnecessary stresses we face >every day here. Now upon our return, we are simply waiting. Elisabeth had >disappeared when we returned. And in this time, we are thinking about the >all the people who supported us.our families and friends, the people we >fundraised. They gave us money and goodwill to make a difference. They all >believed in us and now we have let them down. Because the organisation has >failed to live up to its responsibilities. I have no idea what you are >going to do with this information. I would like to think you are going to >help, but I do not see how. This is a terrible failure, made worse by the >fact that it just needed some forethought and planning. And if you think I >am exaggerating any of this, you can ask anyone here in Managua, where we >have had the opportunity to observe Elisabeth work for the past two months. >And that is all we can do.watch as our dreams fall apart at the hands of >incompetence. We have tried to help, but Elisabeth does not listen to our >opinions or give us any opportunity to make decisions. We are prevented >from working as a team through her failure to fully inform us about what is >going on. As for leading the Africa team. You explain to me how you think I >could lead another group of souls with good hearts and a desire to make a >positive difference into this nightmare. I await with anticipation your >response.

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

Thank you for your responses to my commnents below on the request for reports of actual meetings with Amdi Petersen. My comments are based solely on my experience in the TG schools in Denmark, so I cannot comment on Tvind as a development organisation. Just as I proposed that the TG follow the letter and spirit of the law regarding taxation and fiscalpolicy, I believe that they should also abide by whatever code of practice exists to ensure the good governance and maximum effectiveness of their development projects. For those who have not experienced Tvind, it is, as one person mentioned below, an experimental way of living, and can be a very renewing and rewarding experience. Steen Thomsen's report is written with extreme bias. I hope that not everyone will view Tvind and the TG in the manner in which he has painted it. I, like many of you, have criticisms of Tvind. But my criticisms are based on experience and a willingness to contribute constructively. Many of the criticisms offered on this site (though I accept by no means all) are not based on personal experience, but are merely prejudicial to the wish of TG members to live their lives collectively in the manner they choose. My hope is that they would continue to exist (and thrive) alongside the Danish or other educational systems and international aid and development organisations, but in a way that ensures they follow the letter and spirit of the law. The Danes have made a witchhunt of their persecution of Tvind and the TG. To those who consider me naive or the victim of subtle brainwashing, I assure you that my thoughts are based on long term consideration, but there is little I can offer in my defence. The accusation of naivety is a powerful and rather disarming one which may cause others to disregard my views. I could have said the same about you but I choose not to, favouring instead open debate. Former TG member

Dear All, Thanks for your comments and great insight into Tvind. I wanted to relocate to denmark and was offered a job with these people. I will not thank goodness, be taking it now. Shaun Schofield

I am in Humana couple of months,looking for other possibility to do something good in this world,but everyone wants me to pay...does anyone have idea if polish people can do something without paying charges? please,contact me desert_sky@poczta.gazeta.pl

Is it simply that people like the Former TG Member below are naive? Is that what it is? Is it that they are so truly uneducated, unskilled, inexperienced in how one goes about doing real, intentional development work, that they don't know enough to understand that the activities of Tvind are minimally effective for their supposed target populations? Or is it indeed brainwasing of a kind so subtle they can't see the forest for the trees. I guess it's a bit like an addict denying s/he's addicted.

Dear Mr.Former TG member : You would be ashamed for doing bad things, like this robbery Humana does in the name of the poorest Everything your organization makes is disgusting

A volunteer (euphemistically named 'development instructor')

The latest request on the home page of this site for reports from people who have actually met Amdi Petersen is a cynical exercise. It is an attempt at a self-fulfilling prophecy masquerading as an attempt to establish fact. Anyone who has read the personal reports that are already posted about the various experiences of former members of the TG and volunteers will know that the the findings are bound to focus on his 'charisma' and ability to 'manipulate' people. I don't think you really want to hear these accounts from people because you have already made up your mind(s) that Amdi and/or the TG is interested in mind-control or brain-washing. This exercise will only serve to reinforce the image that you already have/propagate about Amdi. For the record, I HAVE met Amdi. It was while I was a member of the TG, and he IS charismatic. But I dispute the assertion made in reports on your site (particulalry by former member and firemoeller/winestead principal Steen) that either Amdi P. or the TG are involved in mind control or brain-washing. That is nonsense. Everyone has a choice and we make our own decisions about what we do. There is none of the exploitation or pressure on people that some people have described. In my opinion, it is a great shame that Amdi is in jail. But though I support him and the TG movement I believe that the TG should have adopted a policy of full compliance with both the letter and the spirit of the law, particularly concerning tax and school finances. Perhaps it is not too late for them to start to do so now, and to cooperate with the investigation. I look forward to considered responses to this posting. Former TG member

I think this site needs a bulletin board so that messages can be organized discussions.

you should learn some polish, because text below i intersting piece of shit

Hi! I am a son of a member of the Teachers Group (since 1978). I have experinced a childhood where my mother found Tvind more important than her family. every agreement you could have with her, she would put aside if something regarding Tvind came in the way, the teachers group should decide what kind of upbringing me and my brothers should have, they should be heard when my mother got a new boyfriend, new years eve I often spend alone or with nabourgs,- never my mother, she was sent to work in the other end of the country even though she had two children living at home. My oldest brother should look after us,- etc etc My grandfathers enharitage has gone directly into Tvinds pockets

Do some reading our post there write people whiches something passed in this to sect and of soul and of last trousers Elza Marii Pedersen and Humana not of distance. Are different people on world and you without honour and of ambition Mrs. Anka alias Marta.

Anka alias Marta you speak something and this you did not see because unfortunately was not you and us, and appointing oneself on words Elza Marii Pedersen of chief Netup of thief , which stoated us moneys, we attend for joke

Anka alias Marta you lay out to people something on theme of morals and not of history of Africa because to this first you have competences and to second no. Has to to you to be there well you do not judge?

AJ.

I can't speak for the other schools but I am sure that anyone who has worked at the Bustrup school will have had a great experience. The teachers there are committed people who genuinenly care about their students' welfare and development. I had a great time there and so did many other 'volunteers' and Teacher Group people that I knew well. They also did a lot for the ethnic minorities in the local area, like Palestinians and Tamils etc, who are often otherwise excluded from society at large to an extent in Denmark. They invited them to the school, had special programs for them at the schools, served halal food, encouraged diverse traditions and much more. There was a lot of theatre, music and sport, and caring for the environment and animals. I loved that place and the people, and there was certainly none of the 'exploitation' described by one writer below. I am sorry that the movement has taken a wrong turn with this tax evasion allegation and I hope they can get over it. I agree with the 'former TG member' below who said that they should go for full compliance with the letter and the spirit of the law. It would be a shame to see all that hard work gone to waste. I certainly wouldn't want to see the Bustrup school and teachers tarred with the same brush. That's my two pennies worth!

It's a shame that otherwise useful contributions like some below from the 'former TG member' for example seem to prompt such moronic responses. I was a vulunteer some years ago at a Danish Tvind school and I too found it a 'rewarding' experience personally. Of course we should all be doing things that reward us personally - it's not ALL about philanthropy. Perhaps because I am of rather more mature years than the 'average' volunteer (and I met many during my stint) I had few of the 'hang ups' that others describe. I did not find the organisation exploitative. I DID have many questions to raise with the principal at my school and the discussions about teaching techniques, materials, lifestyle were ongoing. But it was not exploitative. I did some work too for DAPP in Denmark and that too was rewarding for me and for my class group. Though classed as a 'volunteer' I received a reasonable wage and soem of my financial obligations in the UK were paid by the school. I know many of the other young volunteers and can't imagine any of them writing the accounts that this site posts. They all had a good time, more or less, and went on to do good things. I know of one who went on to be a TG member for two years but then quit, but remained at the school as a salaried teacher. As one of the TG teachers told me frequently: 'You can have it as you want it in the TG.'

GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE YOU SAD MUPPET!! iF YOU LIKE WRITING FICTION SO MUCH ,WHY DON'T YOU BECOME A NOVELIST OR SOMETHING !OR BETTER YET HAVE A WANK!"!

bE CAREFUL WHAT YOU READ PEOPLE,THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH PERSONAL GRUDGES AGAINST THE TEACHER GROUP,I.E THE GUY WHO WROTE THIS SITE WAS BROBABLY BULLIED AT SCHOOL AND CALLED NAMES ALL HIS LIFE,THEN DECIDED TO BECOME A TEACHER,BUT!! FAILED MISSERABLY,SO! STARTED TO MAKE FAKE STUPID WEB PAGES RUBBISHING THE ORGANIZATION THAT REJECTED HIM 18 YEARS AGO!!

Anybody is welcome to visit tvind for the day if they have any questions towards what rubbish this web page is writing.If tvind is a cult why does the danish government send problem kids in denmark to tvind schools.Why has the school at tvind been accepted and recognized by the ringkobing amt kommune.You have to tell the truth site.Who ever made this site is brainwashing people to believe what he or she wants.When i find out who this site belongs too,they will be in a alot of TROUBLE!!

i think the tvind organization is doing a brilliant job!!!!!!!!!!!

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

Former TG Member:

Tvind has been passed off to you as being "an experiment in living." In reality it is an experiment in how much Tvind can get away with, making money off the backs of ego-centered persons like you who want to believe they are living lofty, novel and insightful lives. Every "former TG member" who continues to defend Tvind seems to need to sidestep that reality, so obviously Tvind's fun little experiment is working. What colour are the emperor's clothes today, did you say?

You say it was rewarding for you to live "in the way of Tvind." At least you are honest enough to admit that your involvement was about YOU, for your own reward. (as opposed to proclaiming your reasons for involvement to be for service, for the betterment of the world -- TG members often skew that perception-- that is to say, that what they want to perceive as making a BIG, IMPORTANT contribution is actually just an experiment in patting themselves on the back for blindly doing what their leaders are telling them is "the right work, the only work, the very BEST kind of work" -- You, it seems are at least saying you were involved with the TG because what you did, whatever it was, felt good to YOU. It's all about motivation.)

If the TG wants to go off and live their lives collectively, without exploiting anybody (from child "small school students" to volunteers to the "targets-populations" of ill-founded, half-formulated development projects in the Third World, to NGOs, to the well-meaning governmental bodies -- scorned all the way by the TG -- who have been convinced over the years to fund TG programmes all over the world in the name of selfless service), I have no problem with that. And I would have no problem with the TG using the money they make (ALL OF IT) to actually do the work they say they are doing with it. But the TG isn't set up to work like that -- it hasn't been from the first. It's set up to make money -- LOTS OF IT -- for the interests of the upper echelon TG leaders. If you don't understand that, then you ARE naive.

My experience with Tvind and the TG confirms everything Steen Thomsen had to say in his report. Where have you been that YOU don't see it?

Surprise, surprise, Nicaragua!!! Do you remember Guatemala mess?

Uli, > >I have not written to you directly before now for a number of reasons. The >most predominant being that I am so disappointed I do not know what to say. >However, I also know that Schuyler has actually phoned IICD to inform you >about what is going on here and that Jacob has received a number of >messages about the situation. And yet we have seen no positive input from >anyone. > >The situation is worse than I could have imagined. And it is all due to >mismanagement and lack of organisation and communication. > >You didn't realise that we do not have real work to do.let me explain my >'project'. I signed up to participate in six months of development work. It >is a JOKE. In the beginning, I was running errands for Elisabeth (going to >the bank, photocopying, picking up files - all the mundane stuff she didn't >want to do). I worked on the audit for a while, but was unable to complete >a whole task because Elisabeth could not be relied upon to give me all the >information I needed. I also had to leaf through ALL the organisation's >files since its beginning to find all the instances where taxes were not >paid - a task that involved clipping little bits of paper to receipts to >highlight other people's mistakes (or deceit). Then I was given a report to >compile for the Child Aid projects to advertise their achievements on the >internet, a document that will be irrelevant in three months time as the >projects will not exist (assuming, of course, >they do not collapse before). This is why the experience is a waste of my >time. > >Clearly the administration position was invented to deal with the fact that >you have too many DIs here. It is not a real job; Elisabeth just needed an >assistant. And I am not the person for that. Aside from the fact that it >requires someone who is willing to take orders, who has no initiative and >lacks any self motivation, I joined this program as a volunteer who wanted >to participate in grassroots development work. This has not happened. > >So, personally, I feel like I have been misled and outright deceived by >IICD and Planet Aid. All those brochures and leaflets you have promoting >the organisation are filled with lies. I have not experienced any of the >development work promised therein. The CATeam was forced to take positions >that were not even mentioned when each of us joined. And then when we get >here they turn out to be fabrications anyway because you didn't know what >else to do with us. > >As for the situation now, the projects here are clearly NOT sustainable. >There is no consideration for any of the people who are actually employed >by Planet Aid. In no more than three months time these people will lose >their jobs. Then what happens? Not to mention all the people who are >actually benefiting from the work initiated by the few CATeam members who >work in El Viejo. And this organisation considers itself to be >humanitarian. > >There is NO money here. Humana has apparently sent $2000, which when it >arrives will all be needed to pay the debts that have accumulated. And then >the organisation will have no more money again. Each member of the team is >owed an average of $80 in stipend money. We go days without receiving any >money and have had more than one occasion when we literally have NO money, >even to buy food. And how did we reach this point? Mismanagement. We warned >Elisabeth six weeks ago that this was coming and she did nothing. The >project moves from one crisis to the next and not one of them is dealt with >efficiently. I fear its downfall looms ever closer. > >How utterly disappointing to have worked all these months for this. I spent >all my savings on this experience and I have been continually let down. You >have failed in your contractual obligation to provide us with the >experience promised to us. You have failed in your contractual obligation >to provide a stipend for our living expenses. In seventeen days time our >visas run out. What is going to happen then? Not one of us is going to hand >over our passports to Elisabeth, as we do not trust her. She has withheld >information from us and outright lied to us. Does this sound like someone >we can trust? > >As you will see there are several people copied into this message (not >least the entire CATeam, as you mentioned you do not have their e-mail >addresses - yet another example of lack of organisation) - I feel as many >people as possible should know what is going on. And if anyone believes >there are more people who should be informed, then please forward the >message on. Down here it feels like we are caught in a conspiracy where the >story changes every time we ask for an explanation. Elisabeth has literally >refused to answer my questions by saying that she has already answered too >many. What is that all about? > >So, we are in limbo here. Everything started to fall apart last week and >then we dispersed for Easter to escape the unnecessary stresses we face >every day here. Now upon our return, we are simply waiting. Elisabeth had >disappeared when we returned. And in this time, we are thinking about the >all the people who supported us.our families and friends, the people we >fundraised. They gave us money and goodwill to make a difference. They all >believed in us and now we have let them down. Because the organisation has >failed to live up to its responsibilities. I have no idea what you are >going to do with this information. I would like to think you are going to >help, but I do not see how. This is a terrible failure, made worse by the >fact that it just needed some forethought and planning. And if you think I >am exaggerating any of this, you can ask anyone here in Managua, where we >have had the opportunity to observe Elisabeth work for the past two months. >And that is all we can do.watch as our dreams fall apart at the hands of >incompetence. We have tried to help, but Elisabeth does not listen to our >opinions or give us any opportunity to make decisions. We are prevented >from working as a team through her failure to fully inform us about what is >going on. As for leading the Africa team. You explain to me how you think I >could lead another group of souls with good hearts and a desire to make a >positive difference into this nightmare. I await with anticipation your >response.

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

Thank you for your responses to my commnents below on the request for reports of actual meetings with Amdi Petersen. My comments are based solely on my experience in the TG schools in Denmark, so I cannot comment on Tvind as a development organisation. Just as I proposed that the TG follow the letter and spirit of the law regarding taxation and fiscalpolicy, I believe that they should also abide by whatever code of practice exists to ensure the good governance and maximum effectiveness of their development projects. For those who have not experienced Tvind, it is, as one person mentioned below, an experimental way of living, and can be a very renewing and rewarding experience. Steen Thomsen's report is written with extreme bias. I hope that not everyone will view Tvind and the TG in the manner in which he has painted it. I, like many of you, have criticisms of Tvind. But my criticisms are based on experience and a willingness to contribute constructively. Many of the criticisms offered on this site (though I accept by no means all) are not based on personal experience, but are merely prejudicial to the wish of TG members to live their lives collectively in the manner they choose. My hope is that they would continue to exist (and thrive) alongside the Danish or other educational systems and international aid and development organisations, but in a way that ensures they follow the letter and spirit of the law. The Danes have made a witchhunt of their persecution of Tvind and the TG. To those who consider me naive or the victim of subtle brainwashing, I assure you that my thoughts are based on long term consideration, but there is little I can offer in my defence. The accusation of naivety is a powerful and rather disarming one which may cause others to disregard my views. I could have said the same about you but I choose not to, favouring instead open debate. Former TG member

Dear All, Thanks for your comments and great insight into Tvind. I wanted to relocate to denmark and was offered a job with these people. I will not thank goodness, be taking it now. Shaun Schofield

I am in Humana couple of months,looking for other possibility to do something good in this world,but everyone wants me to pay...does anyone have idea if polish people can do something without paying charges? please,contact me desert_sky@poczta.gazeta.pl

Is it simply that people like the Former TG Member below are naive? Is that what it is? Is it that they are so truly uneducated, unskilled, inexperienced in how one goes about doing real, intentional development work, that they don't know enough to understand that the activities of Tvind are minimally effective for their supposed target populations? Or is it indeed brainwasing of a kind so subtle they can't see the forest for the trees. I guess it's a bit like an addict denying s/he's addicted.

Dear Mr.Former TG member : You would be ashamed for doing bad things, like this robbery Humana does in the name of the poorest Everything your organization makes is disgusting

A volunteer (euphemistically named 'development instructor')

The latest request on the home page of this site for reports from people who have actually met Amdi Petersen is a cynical exercise. It is an attempt at a self-fulfilling prophecy masquerading as an attempt to establish fact. Anyone who has read the personal reports that are already posted about the various experiences of former members of the TG and volunteers will know that the the findings are bound to focus on his 'charisma' and ability to 'manipulate' people. I don't think you really want to hear these accounts from people because you have already made up your mind(s) that Amdi and/or the TG is interested in mind-control or brain-washing. This exercise will only serve to reinforce the image that you already have/propagate about Amdi. For the record, I HAVE met Amdi. It was while I was a member of the TG, and he IS charismatic. But I dispute the assertion made in reports on your site (particulalry by former member and firemoeller/winestead principal Steen) that either Amdi P. or the TG are involved in mind control or brain-washing. That is nonsense. Everyone has a choice and we make our own decisions about what we do. There is none of the exploitation or pressure on people that some people have described. In my opinion, it is a great shame that Amdi is in jail. But though I support him and the TG movement I believe that the TG should have adopted a policy of full compliance with both the letter and the spirit of the law, particularly concerning tax and school finances. Perhaps it is not too late for them to start to do so now, and to cooperate with the investigation. I look forward to considered responses to this posting. Former TG member