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More poor management at IICD,MI. It seems that IICD needed to "rent" tables and chairs from another local non-profit organization for their 'Grand Opening' of the new building. IICD wrote them a check and - go figure - it bounced!! Plus the other non-profit organization had to go retrieve the tables themselves. IICD decided that they couldn't get them back. (how did they get them there in the first place?) HINT: IICD, MI - don't go to this other organization for anything ever again! They will turn you away in a heartbeat! You have made even more enemies. Imagine that.

Dear Webmaster

I find your website very interesting, I just have a little question. How do you define a "TWINDIE".I am afraid that I might be one, but Im not sure, please give an exact description so I can get peace in my mind.

One who needs to know

Hello people from DENMARK, is You yes little only about 5 of millions and not shame To you, that in Your country In centre Of Europe acts oneself calmly band of cheats about name Humana ????? How You can admit to this courageous oneself other people in Europe from You ?????? Which one You have helpless police Danes whether You promote hidden cheats under overcoat of organization charitable ???? What You for nation???????? I am in this of organization and do all on what have readiness because here nobody nothing checks One can sie to fill own pocket and to live so as Amdi

Best Regards P.D

ATTENTION

I will sell important informations relating embezzlement large financial sums by members of organization Humana People to People

From Nigeria, Republics South Africas, Ghanas. I have documents, telephones, faxes and correspondence.

I will show in which one manner this trade acts.

Contact: arktyka2000@poczta.onet.pl

Monika

You do not know Humana, there all steal, and TG is assemblage thief and cheats. These Danes which are chiefs of schools and have under oneself TG are driving power these thief Humane Activity this lid, people you this do not know????????????????

Ines

If the webmaster would like an example of how the 'standard of debate in this guest book has dropped rather recently' perhaps he should look to his own use of the term 'tvindies.' Use of such a term is patronising and stifles real debate. It reduces the argument to a spat between children in the playground, and I think we all agree that it's more important than that. It's a means to disarm the arguments of the members of the teachers' group and its supporters by making them appear to be superficial. The misues of language is a manipulative journalistic trick and the webmaster and regular readers here should be above that. Can we not all agree to desist in the use of this term and get back to the important debate. It's about time. Thanks. And by the way, for what it's worth, I support the removal of the financial scam letters. A regular reader and occasional contributor.

Dear webmaster For Humana every manner is good too little you know this organization

Rudi

I got the impression that whoever placed the Nigerian money scam here seemed to think it was an example of the kind of thing the Tvindies do (actually the Tvindies way of scamming money is much more subtle, nothing like so direct). If it was i-r-o-n-y......well, I get it now. So let it come back. (And it was rather long and posted twice).

This board will never be censored and as the Tvindies know perfectly well everybody is free to express their opinion here, but I still reserve the right to take off very long or obvious examples of irrelevant and meaningless twaddle - a different thing entirely - which will just drive away interested participants.

Let the debate continue! - Webmaster

I think its a mistake to start removing stuff from the board,The previous administrator used to let things run their course. Its exactly what the Tvindies do censorship. So what if someone wants to try and scam some money. Hey isn't that exactly whats been going on. Making fun of people who send notes with such proposals is one way of dealing with the problem. And hey if they have any contribution they might send it in anyway after they realised that most of us haven't got a bean! Therefore put the postings back up!

Hearty thanks behind this, that you drive such page I wanted to deliver large sum of moneys for this of organization because am businessman But I did not know, that Humana this combiners

X37@interia.fm

Again, will people posting here please do so in coherent English. Its bad enough having to read half the self pitying drivel here anyway, without it being stated in english a five year old would be ashamed of.

Andrea my mail arab86@interia.pl

If people from Humana deceived You give to know, we act efficiently tvinddanger@go2.pl

Apologies, looks like you do have to register with Tvindalert Hyperboard to vote.....and maybe post. You do not have to disclose your name and email address though.

Poll Question: Do you feel like you were given false information about volunteering before you started?

Go to Tvindalert Hyperboard to vote!

http://tvindalert.hyperboards.com

No need to register

Dear Sir

Could last entry please be translated to Ennglish?

You are not serious, about what we have to discuss about band of cheats, whiches direct Humana... Police let from them discuss and let one's own frauds and using of people explain before court Little is witnesses and of proofs????? Danish Police is inefficient and worst on all world Humana this organization from of which one should sie to laugh and not to discuss!!!!

I wish people who posted here would learn some english first!!! How the hell are we expected to understand peoples rantings if they can't string a sentence together.

A Tvind discussion board (with messages grouped by topic and threads) is now OPEN - you can find it on:

http://tvindalert.hyperboards.com/

It will make it easier to have good debate and to find messages to reply to. For the time being (at least) it will not replace the guestbook but run with it. Go and post a message there!

Webmaster

And yet you are STILL not making any sense.

ADOLF HITLER did not need of smart people but obedient and blindly devoted, whiches did for him all Yes self is from Humana People to People, need of obedient people and not these. whiches thought and are better from them Truth WANG JING, are more smart from you and such you do not tolerate, you are plaintive Your admirer

To whom it may concern I have a very important piece of information that I wish to sell. I have an 8mm short film of Amdhi taken in Summer of 1978. We believe it was taken in Ulfborg, it contains some very private footage with Amdhi and one senior Tvind Women and two unidentified females. Due to the graphic nature of of the 8.31 second film and the unidentified women we are not keen to publish ourselves and would like to remain anonymous, to anyone that purchases the above film. We will agree to supply the Film to the highest bidder on condition that the Alsation dog called by name in the footage is protected. yours Mr B Shi**er

EXTRA ATTENTION Dear Monika.

Im very interested to buy your information about the financial embezzlement in Humana People to People

Unfourtenately is my financial situation a bit on the low side at the moment, I wonder, of course, what it will cost and it its possible to pay in monthly installments?

I have some information about the Popes sexual habits, would you be interested to trade information?

Please answer me ASAP. My email address is:

jaruselsky@fusknet.pl

Danes from Humana this anemic and have disgusting beauty and yes oneself also keep Are ugly and do ugly things - cheats

Rena from Lithuanias

You will SELL important information? How pathetic is that? What is wrong with people?

ATTENTION

I will sell important informations relating embezzlement large financial sums by members of organization Humana People to People

From Nigeria, Republics South Africas, Ghanas. I have documents, telephones, faxes and correspondence.

I will show in which one manner this trade acts.

Contact: arktyka2000@poczta.onet.pl

Monika

Tvind is celebrated from narcotic meetings in Saturdays of evenings Wang Jing and Anna Lausen also about this nothing you know? You allow on this trade imitating, that nothing you know

Tayk

In Bogence in school Humana with promotion occupies oneself drug addict, which in free moments uses of drugs Such thin with beard idiot Interested from where takes moneys on drugs Surely Carene you know about this?

Danish Police, where you are? Sect you have under nose and nothing you do It is necessary to arrest these of puppets from Humana they deceive of people You are worst Police on World, you are futile and you do not know to work Shame you do on all Europe

Stiv

You cretin from Humana hang oneself for this sects on tree Give back this to sect and Marii Pedersen all what you have and you have only hay in your head

Ruth

IICD is NOT a fantastic place when you spend time and money, fundraise, clean, cook, ect. and find out that this project - this big plan you have for your life - doesn't even exist! The food was horrible (what food they did have there)...phones and utilities were constantly on the verge of getting shut off. Ways to get around that? Don't pay things, like insurance for students who are in Guatemala and Africa, employees, building rent (which is not a big deal since all of THAT flows back to the teachers group anyway), and on and on. You can go to Africa, Guatemala or India on your own, and it would be MUCH cheaper for you. And you wouldn't be out begging on the streets for money that actually keeps this "teachers group" going. It DOES NOT go towards any so called projects. It's great to listen to your heart, but sometimes it's more important to listen to your HEAD! BE SMART about your choices. IICD is not a good one. Go to an info weekend. ASK as many questions as possible. See if you get the run-around. Talk to the people there about what you've heard from former volunteers and teachers. It would be interesting to hear their responses. Ask them about Amdi. Ask them why their rent is so high, and why the rent that is paid is actually going BACK to a company owned by the teachers group. Ask them to show you some proof of actual projects going on. (not just some old lame pictures - they're good at that) Tell them you want current contact information from former students..from both points of view..those who did have a good experience and those who didn't. Email those students. Talk to everyone you can about everything you can think of. You will feel better that you did. Trust me!

Humana people to people this communist cretins

Ed

You and projects Humana are lie and fraud whether you do not know to read You are ill so as this organization Humana band of idiots

 

hi everybody. I almost listened to you and canceled my plans with IICD. I am glad I listened to my heart and did not do that because I would have missed the greatest experience in my life. So even if this place does not work for all people it is a fantastic place with fantastic projects. Sorry you did not realize that.

Hello Teresa. I dont know if you remember me, I was at Winestead at the same time as you were there. Ive heard that jochen was shot dead when he was on his way to pay saleries for the workers at the plantation in Brazil. His family was flowen to brazil to attend the funeral. PS I was at Winestead i 1996-1997 Torben Torben_s@yahoo.com

Polacy nie dajcie sie oszukac tym cwaniakom z Humana

Trzymamy za Was kciuki

Polacy nie dajcie sie oszukac tym cwaniakom z Humana

Trzymamy za Was kciuki

any questions? try emailing hqed@mweb.co.za or hqchairman@masimbe.co.zw Curious as to any replies.

IICD is still training (that word "training" is so ridiculous) volunteers. Only for the Zambia team. Not too many students there. Not getting support from the community as they would like.

Hello all, Does anybody have Steen Tompen's E-mail address. If anyone has it can they please forward it to neilterry@hotmail.com

Thank you.

Would anybody still in touch with the going-on at either of the IICD's or CCTG care to post an update?

I know that their plan to transition into a residential "small school" for Emotionally Impaired children was headed off at the pass, but does that mean that IICD is still in the business of "training" DI's, or are they on to some other form of money-making effort?

Some three weeks ago Tvind Alert suddenly received hundreds of hits from Finland. Can our Finnish friend say if there was any interesting newspaper article or TV programme about Tvind or UFF to explain it? Thanks.

Here in Finland the UFF-cloth company is still one off the official charity organisations, and the young voluntary do-gooders really believe they are doing important work for the benefit of the developing countries, and of course they refuse to believe anything else. And they are really agressive about it.

IICD in Michigan DID NOT get their licensing to receive troubles children into their school. The local courts know all about IICD and their lies. IICD will not last long in Michigan. The word is getting out to local people on what a SCAM that place is.

Humana is venal does not pay taxes and deceives of people We promote You Polish speak truth because people from Humana do not like truth We are with You Irina and Akins

Listen me you pachole from Humany I write this what I lived in this to sect and your sentence on theme Humana me does not interest I criticize persons, which me and of other people deceived with ruse and what Humana does this me does not interest Maybe are there people good and honest but are also cheats and crafty rotters I came together from these second unfortunately...

POORE POLISH AJ... are you little child? wake up!! media will use you for their own interest money is most important and how much people will buy my newspaper or watch my news and tvind is popular , look now tvind alert they writing book about amdi petersen and they will make money on this you think they will send to Africa??? I hope you will do some good with it, fucking hell!!!! people have their own mind, and on other hand is good what they can find here, because they can make up their mind is fucking endless discussion, is better to do something useful, like help children for example, than use time here to try convince, or people! do what ever the hell you want if you don't like Humana, tvind, teachers group, than go somewhere else, but DO SOMETHING!!! go to Africa, Asia, south Americas, and work with all these people who need you and if you don't know people from TG, if your goal was always different then their than you don't know them FUCK DO YOU KNOW WAY TO PURE TRUTH, TO HEAVEN??? SHOW THE WAY!! EVERYWHERE YOU CAN FIND STINKING SHIT BUT AS WELL YOU CAN FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING BEST THEY BUILDS SOMETHING, AND GOING FOR RESULTS FIND SOMETHING FOR YOU BEING AGAINST IS WEAK MISSION IT CAN WORK, BUT... BE PRODUCTIVE, AND CONSTRUCTIVE IS SO MUCH DESTRUCTIVE AND NEGATIVE ALL AROUND AND I KNOW THAT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE CHANGES THAT THIS IS POSSIBLE or if your opinion is only negative and you are not listening, you can't see what they done during all these years than you are blind and you should think little bit are you honest person?? are you ok? .....

Attention for all of people, whiches want to give of interviews for MEDIASKAPARNA from Sweden. Producer, Roland Jonsson and journalist Nuri Kino are dishonest, do moneys on human To harm. We lent this to people our relating materials of our stay in Humana People... / film On casette 8 mm, documents, behind which we paid Humana... 1500 $ USA, photo made during our stay in this to sect. People You / Nuri Kino and Jonsson Roland / ascertained, that want our materials to use to of programme TV about this to sect so we lent eats to them in Februaries. To present day it mother these of materials, we asked for turn by three months numerous With faxes and emailami. We got only one fax from Jonssona, where writes, that our materials are not suitable to their of programme and sent eats us two weeks ago. On our further requests for turn, when to them oneself not to serve, we did not get no answers, of materials farther we do not have and we attend, that became us stolen by journalist, Turk, Nuri Cinema and his producer Jonssona Rolanda from MEDIASKAPARNA from Sweden, from of Stockholm. We warn all, do not give of no interviews Nuri Kino and MEDIASKAPARNA Represented by Jonssona Rolanda because You can be deceived so as we, are this people, to which depends only on conquest of materials with lie and with turning of facts.

AJ.

An experienced author is collecting information about AMDI PETERSEN for a biographical article or book.

If there are any visitors to this website with personal knowledge of Amdi Petersen, who met him at any time or heard interesting stories about him from others - whether good or bad, positive or negative - please reply to bookinfo@tvindalert.org.uk.

Thanks

Sara's story about her time in IICD Michigan has been placed in the 'stories' section of the website to make it easier to find - the url is:

http://www.tvindalert.org.uk/stories/sara's_story.htm

The original is still in the guestbook but has now been archived in the archive page 10. Webmaster

Dutch TV-1 programme on Tvind

It will take a few days to make the intended translation of this programme. If anyone wants to know the full details, visit the site in the middle of next week.

Meanwhile if anyone who saw the programme can make a summary of the main points, please post it here, as a lot of Dutch people are visiting the site, and there are many others who would like to be told of the important allegations made by the programme about the Humana money-go-round between Amsterdam, Africa and the Teachers Group.

Hello all, I am a former student of Winestead Hall and I have benn informed of that Jochen Schaffer (a former teacher at Winestead) has been Killed. I would like to know more about his death. If anyone has any information can they please e-mail me at neilterry@hotmail.com

To Every person who has written a negative comment on this webpage, I just wanted to clear up some things. I am not bashing you. I would just like you to find my comments down below and read them. I hope you have actually made the effort to read the comments written by other people before jumping to conclusions about what this site is about, and not following the story that your teacher has told you in the training schools. For those of you who don't know me, I am a past IICD-MI volunteer. In fact my team (who is still there.. and whom I still keep in touch with), is going to be leaving soon for Africa quite soon--which was where I really wanted to go. But I had to leave because of reasons beyond my control. Leaving an organization that you know is morally and ethically wrong is incredibly hard because this organization seems so fantastic on the outside. Because you have people telling you what you want and need to hear. Because of the people you meet--your fellow volunteers who are just as idealistic and fantastic as you are. It is NOT the members of the organization that I object too or dislike. In fact I have to admit that I still like as a person the director of IICD, because she is doing something that she completely believes in. What I don't like is the Organization itself. The Head Honchos who know EXACTLY what and where the money goes (and it isn't into the projects, let me tell you that). This organization has sucked out my ideals. I tried to climb back up the ladder and get the Pulitzer Winner Globe and Mail Writer Victor Malerek to do a story on the Guatemala team (he had come to my house and interviewed all of us, taken our picture, was going to do a personal level of what really happens at the schools, and the emotions you are put through), but he-- the one who preached to us about how not to give up our ideals.. and that he is a fighter for what's right.. curled up into a ball and canned the story the day the story (in my point of view.. a bad one, one that really doesn't explain what Humana People to People is capable of) covered the front page of the rival newspaper--the Toronto Star. So from that day forward I dropped my campaign to educate others about IICD, and Humana People to People, I also stopped visiting this site. I spent the next month and half trying to get my life in order.. finding a job, planning what I was going to do in September. I even tried for other volunteer organizations, but they were a no-go.. either too expensive, or the recuitment for 2002 had already been done. But I have discovered this week a fantastic Canadian Volunteer Organization called CUSO. I unfortunately will not be able to go for it this year, as I have made plans for myself for the next year already, but I am planning to look into it seriously for the year after. For any Canadian who is feeling stuck and low because they feel like they can't find a better organization than Humana People to People, check out CUSO (website: www.cuso.org). It is this organization that has lifted my spirits. That has made me think that I may still be able to carry out my dreams of becoming an overseas volunteer. Or buy the book "How to live out your dreams of becoming an overseas volunteer" and discover many many other organizations which are rated and investigated by non-biased authors. If you don't know who I am, please read my story and comments below.. you may have to scroll down a lot.. it is after all those polish comments... it has been a long time since I was last here. yet nothing has changed. Humana is still running, IICD-MI had its grand opening of the new school last weekend.... and people are still getting exploited... though I do hear from people that less and less people are getting recruited by my area. For those who are still involved in the organization, please scroll down and find my story, it is worth the work to find, and it will might enlighten to you what I and others here dropping comments off at the site are really about. Sara (former IICD-MI member volunteer)

I think the Tvind Teachers Group does a lot of good, for example the refugee centre in Groot Deunk, Holland, which I visited a number of times in the late eighties and early nineties. Why don't some of the sceptics and critics out there think about that for a change?

Dutch TV's expose of Tvind is being translated into English and will be posted on Tvind Alert Holland page within a few hours

There was a story about Tvind on the dutch television today, could we get a link to that please?Thanks

hi there! my name is jennifer, and i am a surviver of the guatemalan team that was taken for the 20, 000 dollars that we raised for IICD Michigan. i am pleased to say that i am writing from a project in guatemala (one that acutally exists!) having such a great trip that have lost most of the angre that i had towards IICD. i am still concerned however, about other people being sucked in. it was really too later when my team realized what was going on. for this reason i would like to invite any questions about the failed guatemala team to IICDquestions@hotmail.com. thanks!

hi there! my name is jennifer, and i am a surviver of the guatemalan team that was taken for the 20, 000 dollars that we raised for IICD Michigan. i am pleased to say that i am writing from a project in guatemala (one that acutally exists!) having such a great trip that have lost most of the angre that i had towards IICD. i am still concerned however, about other people being sucked in. it was really too later when my team realized what was going on. for this reason i would like to invite any questions about the failed guatemala team to IICDquestions@hotmail.com.

Czesc Jacek, jak sie macz, stary kollega. Jestesmy v Ostravie, Respublika Czeszska, nedaleko od granicy Polski, jehalismy przez Katowice, to nedaleko z tat. Pracujemy na wielku Humanu, otwieramy sklep second handu, juz drugi, jeden juz pracuje. Napizc co wy robicie, jak pracujece v UFFe, to ja sadzim ze to nie warto, dla tego ze wczoroj precitalem v tvindalercie ze Szweitci UFF ma duze dolgu (debts Engl.), musi vyplatic 136 krieditoram. Mam nadzije robicie cos inego. W Ostrawie to jest dobrze, mamy cale ulice gdzie tylko barzy pivne i inne, a jesze na nedziele jezdim w gory, jazdim tam na nartah, a ile piva vypilismy nikt lizcbi. Mamy tu dwoh nachelnikow, jeden Czeh - normalny dobry chlopak, a drugi Litwin - no to prawdiwa kurwa humanska, ma 23 lat, nic nie umie, nic nie zna ale chce byc wielkim bossem, no my tego nie chcemy i tego nie biede. Posrow Bozena. Roza i wsystcy daja wam pozdrawienia. Zeania. Do widzenia.

CZESC JACEK. JESTEM W ANGLI CALY CZAS W HUMANIE ALE JUZ NIE DLUGO ZUCAM TO W CIUL MOZE BEDE PRACOWAL NIE DALEKO STAND.SAPIERDALAM TU JAK DZIKI WOL I NIC Z TEGO NIE MAM.SZKOLA JEST NA TAKIM ZADUPIU DO SKLEPU JEST 20 MIN NA ROWERZE.JEDNA LASKA MA MI POCHYTAC ROBOTE I MIESZKANIE.MIALEM JECHAC DO LONDYNU ALE NARAZIE NIE STAC MNIE NA DOJAZD DO LONDYNU JEST OK 350 KM.MAM WIZE DO 30 LISTOPADA 4 MIES W HUMANIE WYSTARCZA .A CO U WAS SLYSZALEM ZE JESTESCIE W POLSCE.

Łukasz Kruk

Witaj, Jacku! To. co sie u Was dzieje rzeczywiscie swiadczy o poziomie Humany i Tvindu.Nie robcie glupoty z paszportami, a moze sprobujcie jeszcze porozmawiac o Anglii.U nas jest niewiele osob w szkole (z naszego teamu z 16 osob we wrzesniu jest teraz tylko 5), nie powinno byc problemow, a wiza dla nas jest tu na 6 miesiecy.Jesli poprosicie nasza hedmasterke o zaproszenia, nie powinno byc klopotow na granicy, wszyscy przez to przeszlismy.

Pozdrawiam was serdecznie,

Martwimy sie o Was, ja, Sanna i reszta naszej grupy, Dajcie znac o rozwoju sytuacji.A moze teraz pozwola Wam jechac do Durbanu? Nie wiem, co Wam poradzic.

Ania

hello Jacek and Bozena how are ya guys????/are ya still inTVIND ??? are ya enjoying???/ we hope so. we want say ........have a WONDERFUL year in 2002!!!! and we hope ya have a Great time in Africa. God bless ya. rodrigo and andreia.

hi Jacek and Bozena Here is Ines I hope you remember me I `m the Girl from Geramy. Oh I did like to watch this movies. And Im intrested in wath you are doing right now. I hope you are fine. Sorry I havent got any time but it will be great to here from you..... Love INES

Witam :)

Bardzo ciekawa jestem, jak tam w milej Polsce Wam zycie uplywa. Szkoda ze nie moglam sie z Wami nalezycie pozegnac.

Co dokladnie mowia, nie wiem, bo wyjechalismy na fundraising dzien pozniej i nie slyszalam dluzszych wypowiedzi. Raz tylko Anna LAusen powidziala na porannym zgromadzenie (heh), ze mysli, ze tak jest dla Was lepiej, wytlumazyla wszystkim Wasze problemy z wiza i powiedziala, ze ma nadzieje, ze w anglii bedzie mieli wiecej szczescia. Czyli raczej wygladalo to pozytywnie.

Ja jestem teraz na fundraisingu w sztokholmie - najlepsze jest to, ze nie mamy akomodacji, nie mamy pieniedzy (musielismy kupic bilety na pociag, bo w szwecji podobnoz jazda stopem jest zabroniona, a poza tym ludziom ktorzy ze mna tu przyjechali nieco odbija w tym kierunku) i jeszcze nie moge nikogo spotkac, bo dwojka z nich (cyril i jaakko) nie przyszla na meeting, na ktory sie umowilismy, a reszta ma przyjechac do sztokholmu jakims niewidzialnym autobusem (pytalam na dworcu autobusowym, sprawdzalam w rozkladach jazdy i wyglada na to, ze owy autobus nie istnieje - co zreszta nie dziwi mnie specjalnie, bo siedza juz w malmo od wczorajszego wieczora przegapiajac wszystkie kolejne polaczenia, heh).

Ach.. mam ich wszystkich dosyc :)))) hehehe..

Pozdrawiam Was serdecznie :)

I see Gaia is collecting clothes in south west England now. I would be fascinating to hear exactly what environmental projects this Teachers Group 'charity' is supporting.

"questions towards what rubbish this web page is writing"

It has been said a million times I know, but apparantly it still hasn't sunk in... ALL THE NEWS ARTICLES ON THIS SITE ARE STRAIGHT FROM THE PENS OF RESPECTED JOURNALISTS WORKING AT ESTABLISHED NEWSPAPERS AROUND THE WORLD.

If you really want to believe that the whole world is "out to get you" for no reason, you might want to consult a therapist...

Drodzy Czytelnicy

W odpowiedzi na żenującą wypowiedź niejakiej Anki vel Marty zamieszczonej na stronie www.tvindalert.org .uk w dziale GUESTBOOK pragniemy wyjaśnić ,że to jest odpowiedź organizacji Humana People to People z Danii na naszą historię i prawdę ,ktrą my przeżyliśmy w tej sekcie.

Podczas naszej niewolniczej pracy w Goeteborgu w UFF CENTER SORTING poznaliśmy Polkę ,ktra też przyjechała tam pracować ale po pierwszym dniu pobytu opowiedziała nam,że nie przyjechała tu po to by być wolontariuszką ale musiała uciekać z domu bo przespała się z najlepszym przyjacielem jej narzeczonego i zobaczyła ogłoszenie w prasie była na infomitingu i na wszystkie warunki jakie jej zaproponowała ta sekta zgodziła się. Zachowywała się dziwnie spokojnie,często siedziała sama w kuchni i patrzyła na sufit.Miała problemy ze swoją psychiką i widać było,że jest w innym świecie. My nie wiemy jakie warunki z nią ustalano bo każdy chętny do pracy dla tej sekty ma indywidualne rozmowy.

W pierwszym dniu pracy w UFF przypadkiem zobaczyłem jak owa Anka vel Marta kradnie bluzkę damską i stanik i dość ostro zwrciłem jej uwagę by tego nie robiła bo my Polacy też tu pracujemy i co sobie o nas pomyślą inni ludzie.

Od tego dnia owa Anka vel Marta przestała się do mnie odzywać. My pracę zakończyliśmy po około trzech tygodniach od poznania tej osoby. Jest to dziewczyna ,ktra zachowaniem swoim przypomina 5 letnie dziecko a ma około 22 lat.

O naszych problemach w Tvind i Bogence tylko słyszała z ust sekciarzy bo nie była razem z nami tam i nie widziała co myśmy przeszli a lodwkę z Tvind zamykaną na kłdkę mamy na zdjęciu i wiele innych atrakcji tej sekty o ktrej Anka vel Marta jeszcze nie wie.

W szkole w Bogence są domki drewniane oddalone od szkoły i to tam nas izolowano w czasie infomitingu przez trzy dni ,my mamy to na kasecie video i na zdięciach ale nie jesteśmy tymi kłamstwami zaskoczeni bo po takiej drodze kłamstwa i chamstwa jakie nam zafundowała ta sekta uodporniliśmy się na wyznania uciekającej przed życiem dziewczyny typu Anka vel Marta.

W nas nikt z tej sekty nie inwestował bo za wszystko zapłaciliśmy własnymi pieniędzmi a zarobiliśmy dla tej sekty ponad 100 000 koron szwedzkich ktre nam zabrano koszt pobytu w tej sekcie to 8 000 koron duńskich tylko za co? Za brak kompetencji,za poniżanie ludzi ,za jedzenie ktrego pies by nie zjadł. Zasada działania sekty nie polega tylko na uprawianiu zbiorowego sexu ale wszystkie inne elementy działania sekty są zachowane. Nie będziemy komentować innych wypowiedzi tego odpadku jakim jest Anka vel Marta bo brzydzimy się takimi ludżmi,ktrzy za marne korony oddają dusze tej sekcie,chyba ,że trzeba uciekać z Polski bo śpi się z przyjacielem narzeczonego, a fe.

Poczytajcie naszą pocztę tam piszą ludzie ktrzy coś przeszli w tej sekcie a duszy i ostatnich spodni Elzie Marii Pedersen i Humanie nie oddali. Są rżni ludzie na świecie i ci bez honoru i ambicji pani Anko vel Marto.

Anko vel Marto mwisz coś a tego nie widziałaś bo niestety nie było cię a nami,a powoływanie się na słowa Elzy Marii Pedersen szefa Netup złodziejki, krra nam ukradła pieniądze, uważamy za dowcip.

Anka vel Marta ty wykładaj ludziom coś na temat moralności a nie historii Afryki bo do tego pierwszego masz kompetencje a do drugiego żadnych.Tobie musi być tam dobrze niesądzisz?

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In answers on pathetic statement some Anka alias Marta placed on page www. tvindalert. org. uk in division GUESTBOOK we wish to explain, that this is answer of organization Humana People to People from Denmark on our history and truth, which we lived in this to sect.

During our slavish work in Goeteborgu in UFF CENTRE-FORWARDS SORTING we recognized Pole, which also came there to work but after first day of stay Told us, that did not come here after this to be volunteer but would have to to escape from house because slept with best friend her fiance and saw advertisement in press former on infomitingu and on all circumstances which one her proposed this sect agreed. Kept oneself oddly calmly, often sat oneself in kitchen and looked on ceiling. Had problems with one's own psyche and apparently was, that is in other world. We do not know which one circumstances from her one fixed because every willing to work for this sects has individual conversations.

In first day of work in UFF with chance I saw how that Anka alias Marta steals blouse lady's and brassire and enough sharply I turned her attention this would not do because we Polacy also here work and what oneself about will think us other people.

From this of day that Anka alias Marta stopped oneself to me to speak. We work finished after about three weeks from recognitions this persons. Is this girl, which one's own maintenance reminds 5 summer - child and has about 22 of years.

About our problems in Tvind and Bogence only heard from mouth of sectarians because not former together with us there and did not see what we we passed and refrigerator from Tvind closed on padlock we have on removal photo and many of other attraction this sects about of which Anka alias Marta yet does not know.

In school in Bogence are wooden cottages distant from schools and this there us one isolated during infomitingu by three days, we have this on casette video and on foto but are not these lies surprised because after such way of lie and churlishnesses which one treated us this sect became immunized on confessions uciekającej before life of girl of type Anka alias Marta.

In us nobody from this sects did not invest because behind all we paid with own moneys and we earned for this sects beyond 100 000 crowns Swedish which us one began cost of stay in this to sect this 8 000 of Danish crowns only for what? For lack of competence, too humiliating of people, for eating of which dog would not eat. Rule of activity of sect does not rely only on tilling collective sexu but all other elements of activity of sect are kept. We will not comment other statements this of which one garbage is Anka alias Marta because we loathe such people, whiches too worthless crowns give back souls this to sect, surely, that it is necessary to escape from Polands because sleeps oneself with friend of fiance, a fe.

Do some reading our post there write people whiches something passed in this to sect and of soul and of last trousers Elza Marii Pedersen and Humana not of distance. Are different people on world and you without honour and of ambition Mrs. Anka alias Marta.

Anka alias Marta you speak something and this you did not see because unfortunately was not you and us, and appointing oneself on words Elza Marii Pedersen of chief Netup of thief , which stoated us moneys, we attend for joke

Anka alias Marta you lay out to people something on theme of morals and not of history of Africa because to this first you have competences and to second no. Has to to you to be there well you do not judge?

AJ.

I can't speak for the other schools but I am sure that anyone who has worked at the Bustrup school will have had a great experience. The teachers there are committed people who genuinenly care about their students' welfare and development. I had a great time there and so did many other 'volunteers' and Teacher Group people that I knew well. They also did a lot for the ethnic minorities in the local area, like Palestinians and Tamils etc, who are often otherwise excluded from society at large to an extent in Denmark. They invited them to the school, had special programs for them at the schools, served halal food, encouraged diverse traditions and much more. There was a lot of theatre, music and sport, and caring for the environment and animals. I loved that place and the people, and there was certainly none of the 'exploitation' described by one writer below. I am sorry that the movement has taken a wrong turn with this tax evasion allegation and I hope they can get over it. I agree with the 'former TG member' below who said that they should go for full compliance with the letter and the spirit of the law. It would be a shame to see all that hard work gone to waste. I certainly wouldn't want to see the Bustrup school and teachers tarred with the same brush. That's my two pennies worth!

It's a shame that otherwise useful contributions like some below from the 'former TG member' for example seem to prompt such moronic responses. I was a vulunteer some years ago at a Danish Tvind school and I too found it a 'rewarding' experience personally. Of course we should all be doing things that reward us personally - it's not ALL about philanthropy. Perhaps because I am of rather more mature years than the 'average' volunteer (and I met many during my stint) I had few of the 'hang ups' that others describe. I did not find the organisation exploitative. I DID have many questions to raise with the principal at my school and the discussions about teaching techniques, materials, lifestyle were ongoing. But it was not exploitative. I did some work too for DAPP in Denmark and that too was rewarding for me and for my class group. Though classed as a 'volunteer' I received a reasonable wage and soem of my financial obligations in the UK were paid by the school. I know many of the other young volunteers and can't imagine any of them writing the accounts that this site posts. They all had a good time, more or less, and went on to do good things. I know of one who went on to be a TG member for two years but then quit, but remained at the school as a salaried teacher. As one of the TG teachers told me frequently: 'You can have it as you want it in the TG.'

GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE YOU SAD MUPPET!! iF YOU LIKE WRITING FICTION SO MUCH ,WHY DON'T YOU BECOME A NOVELIST OR SOMETHING !OR BETTER YET HAVE A WANK!"!

bE CAREFUL WHAT YOU READ PEOPLE,THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH PERSONAL GRUDGES AGAINST THE TEACHER GROUP,I.E THE GUY WHO WROTE THIS SITE WAS BROBABLY BULLIED AT SCHOOL AND CALLED NAMES ALL HIS LIFE,THEN DECIDED TO BECOME A TEACHER,BUT!! FAILED MISSERABLY,SO! STARTED TO MAKE FAKE STUPID WEB PAGES RUBBISHING THE ORGANIZATION THAT REJECTED HIM 18 YEARS AGO!!

Anybody is welcome to visit tvind for the day if they have any questions towards what rubbish this web page is writing.If tvind is a cult why does the danish government send problem kids in denmark to tvind schools.Why has the school at tvind been accepted and recognized by the ringkobing amt kommune.You have to tell the truth site.Who ever made this site is brainwashing people to believe what he or she wants.When i find out who this site belongs too,they will be in a alot of TROUBLE!!

i think the tvind organization is doing a brilliant job!!!!!!!!!!!

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

hello everybody ohhhhmmmm!!

im a brain washed member of one one of the schools.Im REALLY brain washed me,look! ooohhmmm!!! Beware you sad fucks in denmark me and my fellow students are going to spend all the tax payers money ooommmhhh!!!

Get real people who are reading this crap.We are just an ordinary college,taking government exams,just in an alternative structure of education i.e we do not sit in class rooms for 35 hours a week,we have a self study program,and other activities,just like many colleges inthis world.

Former TG Member:

Tvind has been passed off to you as being "an experiment in living." In reality it is an experiment in how much Tvind can get away with, making money off the backs of ego-centered persons like you who want to believe they are living lofty, novel and insightful lives. Every "former TG member" who continues to defend Tvind seems to need to sidestep that reality, so obviously Tvind's fun little experiment is working. What colour are the emperor's clothes today, did you say?

You say it was rewarding for you to live "in the way of Tvind." At least you are honest enough to admit that your involvement was about YOU, for your own reward. (as opposed to proclaiming your reasons for involvement to be for service, for the betterment of the world -- TG members often skew that perception-- that is to say, that what they want to perceive as making a BIG, IMPORTANT contribution is actually just an experiment in patting themselves on the back for blindly doing what their leaders are telling them is "the right work, the only work, the very BEST kind of work" -- You, it seems are at least saying you were involved with the TG because what you did, whatever it was, felt good to YOU. It's all about motivation.)

If the TG wants to go off and live their lives collectively, without exploiting anybody (from child "small school students" to volunteers to the "targets-populations" of ill-founded, half-formulated development projects in the Third World, to NGOs, to the well-meaning governmental bodies -- scorned all the way by the TG -- who have been convinced over the years to fund TG programmes all over the world in the name of selfless service), I have no problem with that. And I would have no problem with the TG using the money they make (ALL OF IT) to actually do the work they say they are doing with it. But the TG isn't set up to work like that -- it hasn't been from the first. It's set up to make money -- LOTS OF IT -- for the interests of the upper echelon TG leaders. If you don't understand that, then you ARE naive.

My experience with Tvind and the TG confirms everything Steen Thomsen had to say in his report. Where have you been that YOU don't see it?

Surprise, surprise, Nicaragua!!! Do you remember Guatemala mess?

Uli, > >I have not written to you directly before now for a number of reasons. The >most predominant being that I am so disappointed I do not know what to say. >However, I also know that Schuyler has actually phoned IICD to inform you >about what is going on here and that Jacob has received a number of >messages about the situation. And yet we have seen no positive input from >anyone. > >The situation is worse than I could have imagined. And it is all due to >mismanagement and lack of organisation and communication. > >You didn't realise that we do not have real work to do.let me explain my >'project'. I signed up to participate in six months of development work. It >is a JOKE. In the beginning, I was running errands for Elisabeth (going to >the bank, photocopying, picking up files - all the mundane stuff she didn't >want to do). I worked on the audit for a while, but was unable to complete >a whole task because Elisabeth could not be relied upon to give me all the >information I needed. I also had to leaf through ALL the organisation's >files since its beginning to find all the instances where taxes were not >paid - a task that involved clipping little bits of paper to receipts to >highlight other people's mistakes (or deceit). Then I was given a report to >compile for the Child Aid projects to advertise their achievements on the >internet, a document that will be irrelevant in three months time as the >projects will not exist (assuming, of course, >they do not collapse before). This is why the experience is a waste of my >time. > >Clearly the administration position was invented to deal with the fact that >you have too many DIs here. It is not a real job; Elisabeth just needed an >assistant. And I am not the person for that. Aside from the fact that it >requires someone who is willing to take orders, who has no initiative and >lacks any self motivation, I joined this program as a volunteer who wanted >to participate in grassroots development work. This has not happened. > >So, personally, I feel like I have been misled and outright deceived by >IICD and Planet Aid. All those brochures and leaflets you have promoting >the organisation are filled with lies. I have not experienced any of the >development work promised therein. The CATeam was forced to take positions >that were not even mentioned when each of us joined. And then when we get >here they turn out to be fabrications anyway because you didn't know what >else to do with us. > >As for the situation now, the projects here are clearly NOT sustainable. >There is no consideration for any of the people who are actually employed >by Planet Aid. In no more than three months time these people will lose >their jobs. Then what happens? Not to mention all the people who are >actually benefiting from the work initiated by the few CATeam members who >work in El Viejo. And this organisation considers itself to be >humanitarian. > >There is NO money here. Humana has apparently sent $2000, which when it >arrives will all be needed to pay the debts that have accumulated. And then >the organisation will have no more money again. Each member of the team is >owed an average of $80 in stipend money. We go days without receiving any >money and have had more than one occasion when we literally have NO money, >even to buy food. And how did we reach this point? Mismanagement. We warned >Elisabeth six weeks ago that this was coming and she did nothing. The >project moves from one crisis to the next and not one of them is dealt with >efficiently. I fear its downfall looms ever closer. > >How utterly disappointing to have worked all these months for this. I spent >all my savings on this experience and I have been continually let down. You >have failed in your contractual obligation to provide us with the >experience promised to us. You have failed in your contractual obligation >to provide a stipend for our living expenses. In seventeen days time our >visas run out. What is going to happen then? Not one of us is going to hand >over our passports to Elisabeth, as we do not trust her. She has withheld >information from us and outright lied to us. Does this sound like someone >we can trust? > >As you will see there are several people copied into this message (not >least the entire CATeam, as you mentioned you do not have their e-mail >addresses - yet another example of lack of organisation) - I feel as many >people as possible should know what is going on. And if anyone believes >there are more people who should be informed, then please forward the >message on. Down here it feels like we are caught in a conspiracy where the >story changes every time we ask for an explanation. Elisabeth has literally >refused to answer my questions by saying that she has already answered too >many. What is that all about? > >So, we are in limbo here. Everything started to fall apart last week and >then we dispersed for Easter to escape the unnecessary stresses we face >every day here. Now upon our return, we are simply waiting. Elisabeth had >disappeared when we returned. And in this time, we are thinking about the >all the people who supported us.our families and friends, the people we >fundraised. They gave us money and goodwill to make a difference. They all >believed in us and now we have let them down. Because the organisation has >failed to live up to its responsibilities. I have no idea what you are >going to do with this information. I would like to think you are going to >help, but I do not see how. This is a terrible failure, made worse by the >fact that it just needed some forethought and planning. And if you think I >am exaggerating any of this, you can ask anyone here in Managua, where we >have had the opportunity to observe Elisabeth work for the past two months. >And that is all we can do.watch as our dreams fall apart at the hands of >incompetence. We have tried to help, but Elisabeth does not listen to our >opinions or give us any opportunity to make decisions. We are prevented >from working as a team through her failure to fully inform us about what is >going on. As for leading the Africa team. You explain to me how you think I >could lead another group of souls with good hearts and a desire to make a >positive difference into this nightmare. I await with anticipation your >response.

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

TG Living collectively style at schools as IICD is to make the others, DI, work for you, like servants, washing your dishes, building, cleaning the school. Please, give me a break, dont talk about open debate!Open your real budget and talk about AS properties!!!This is a collective of money!

Thank you for your responses to my commnents below on the request for reports of actual meetings with Amdi Petersen. My comments are based solely on my experience in the TG schools in Denmark, so I cannot comment on Tvind as a development organisation. Just as I proposed that the TG follow the letter and spirit of the law regarding taxation and fiscalpolicy, I believe that they should also abide by whatever code of practice exists to ensure the good governance and maximum effectiveness of their development projects. For those who have not experienced Tvind, it is, as one person mentioned below, an experimental way of living, and can be a very renewing and rewarding experience. Steen Thomsen's report is written with extreme bias. I hope that not everyone will view Tvind and the TG in the manner in which he has painted it. I, like many of you, have criticisms of Tvind. But my criticisms are based on experience and a willingness to contribute constructively. Many of the criticisms offered on this site (though I accept by no means all) are not based on personal experience, but are merely prejudicial to the wish of TG members to live their lives collectively in the manner they choose. My hope is that they would continue to exist (and thrive) alongside the Danish or other educational systems and international aid and development organisations, but in a way that ensures they follow the letter and spirit of the law. The Danes have made a witchhunt of their persecution of Tvind and the TG. To those who consider me naive or the victim of subtle brainwashing, I assure you that my thoughts are based on long term consideration, but there is little I can offer in my defence. The accusation of naivety is a powerful and rather disarming one which may cause others to disregard my views. I could have said the same about you but I choose not to, favouring instead open debate. Former TG member

Dear All, Thanks for your comments and great insight into Tvind. I wanted to relocate to denmark and was offered a job with these people. I will not thank goodness, be taking it now. Shaun Schofield

I am in Humana couple of months,looking for other possibility to do something good in this world,but everyone wants me to pay...does anyone have idea if polish people can do something without paying charges? please,contact me desert_sky@poczta.gazeta.pl

Is it simply that people like the Former TG Member below are naive? Is that what it is? Is it that they are so truly uneducated, unskilled, inexperienced in how one goes about doing real, intentional development work, that they don't know enough to understand that the activities of Tvind are minimally effective for their supposed target populations? Or is it indeed brainwasing of a kind so subtle they can't see the forest for the trees. I guess it's a bit like an addict denying s/he's addicted.

Dear Mr.Former TG member : You would be ashamed for doing bad things, like this robbery Humana does in the name of the poorest Everything your organization makes is disgusting

A volunteer (euphemistically named 'development instructor')

The latest request on the home page of this site for reports from people who have actually met Amdi Petersen is a cynical exercise. It is an attempt at a self-fulfilling prophecy masquerading as an attempt to establish fact. Anyone who has read the personal reports that are already posted about the various experiences of former members of the TG and volunteers will know that the the findings are bound to focus on his 'charisma' and ability to 'manipulate' people. I don't think you really want to hear these accounts from people because you have already made up your mind(s) that Amdi and/or the TG is interested in mind-control or brain-washing. This exercise will only serve to reinforce the image that you already have/propagate about Amdi. For the record, I HAVE met Amdi. It was while I was a member of the TG, and he IS charismatic. But I dispute the assertion made in reports on your site (particulalry by former member and firemoeller/winestead principal Steen) that either Amdi P. or the TG are involved in mind control or brain-washing. That is nonsense. Everyone has a choice and we make our own decisions about what we do. There is none of the exploitation or pressure on people that some people have described. In my opinion, it is a great shame that Amdi is in jail. But though I support him and the TG movement I believe that the TG should have adopted a policy of full compliance with both the letter and the spirit of the law, particularly concerning tax and school finances. Perhaps it is not too late for them to start to do so now, and to cooperate with the investigation. I look forward to considered responses to this posting. Former TG member

I think this site needs a bulletin board so that messages can be organized discussions.

you should learn some polish, because text below i intersting piece of shit

Hi! I am a son of a member of the Teachers Group (since 1978). I have experinced a childhood where my mother found Tvind more important than her family. every agreement you could have with her, she would put aside if something regarding Tvind came in the way, the teachers group should decide what kind of upbringing me and my brothers should have, they should be heard when my mother got a new boyfriend, new years eve I often spend alone or with nabourgs,- never my mother, she was sent to work in the other end of the country even though she had two children living at home. My oldest brother should look after us,- etc etc My grandfathers enharitage has gone directly into Tvinds pockets

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In answers on pathetic statement some Anka alias Marta placed on page www. tvindalert. org. uk in division GUESTBOOK we wish to explain, that this is answer of organization Humana People to People from Denmark on our history and truth, which we lived in this to sect.

During our slavish work in Goeteborgu in UFF CENTRE-FORWARDS SORTING we recognized Pole, which also came there to work but after first day of stay Told us, that did not come here after this to be volunteer but would have to to escape from house because slept with best friend her fiance and saw advertisement in press former on infomitingu and on all circumstances which one her proposed this sect agreed. Kept oneself oddly calmly, often sat oneself in kitchen and looked on ceiling. Had problems with one's own psyche and apparently was, that is in other world. We do not know which one circumstances from her one fixed because every willing to work for this sects has individual conversations.

In first day of work in UFF with chance I saw how that Anka alias Marta steals blouse lady's and brassire and enough sharply I turned her attention this would not do because we Polacy also here work and what oneself about will think us other people.

From this of day that Anka alias Marta stopped oneself to me to speak. We work finished after about three weeks from recognitions this persons. Is this girl, which one's own maintenance reminds 5 summer - child and has about 22 of years.

About our problems in Tvind and Bogence only heard from mouth of sectarians because not former together with us there and did not see what we we passed and refrigerator from Tvind closed on padlock we have on removal photo and many of other attraction this sects about of which Anka alias Marta yet does not know.

In school in Bogence are wooden cottages distant from schools and this there us one isolated during infomitingu by three days, we have this on casette video and on foto but are not these lies surprised because after such way of lie and churlishnesses which one treated us this sect became immunized on confessions uciekającej before life of girl of type Anka alias Marta.

In us nobody from this sects did not invest because behind all we paid with own moneys and we earned for this sects beyond 100 000 crowns Swedish which us one began cost of stay in this to sect this 8 000 of Danish crowns only for what? For lack of competence, too humiliating of people, for eating of which dog would not eat. Rule of activity of sect does not rely only on tilling collective sexu but all other elements of activity of sect are kept. We will not comment other statements this of which one garbage is Anka alias Marta because we loathe such people, whiches too worthless crowns give back souls this to sect, surely, that it is necessary to escape from Polands because sleeps oneself with friend of fiance, a fe.

Do some reading our post there write people whiches something passed in this to sect and of soul and of last trousers Elza Marii Pedersen and Humana not of distance. Are different people on world and you without honour and of ambition Mrs. Anka alias Marta.

Anka alias Marta you speak something and this you did not see because unfortunately was not you and us, and appointing oneself on words Elza Marii Pedersen of chief Netup of thief , which stoated us moneys, we attend for joke

Anka alias Marta you lay out to people something on theme of morals and not of history of Africa because to this first you have competences and to second no. Has to to you to be there well you do not judge?

AJ.

is waiste of thime to visit tvind allert or polish websit next thing is wait of time to translate this text, maybe jacek could do it :)

boolocks :) find something more interesting for yourself do something for others, for people in need stop fighting stop running aroun like dogs do something useful for others aroud you is enough hate in the world enough suffering

good luck, i hope all what you are doing , thinking, saying will bring you only good good bless us all

Wolontariusze w sieci

Strona TvindAlert ma nowy rozdzial sekcje polska, zainicjowana przez Jacka i Bozenke. Pracowali dla NetUp w Goeteborgu, a teraz sa z powrotem w Polsce. Nie udalo im sie nawet przezyc koszmaru pierwszego okresu, czyli treningu w jednej ze szkl Tvind. Ich historia jest oglnie dostepna. Anka, czytajac ja, usmiecha sie krzywo. Pracowalam z nimi przez miesiac mwi I mam zupelnie inne wspomnienia. Pytam, czym rznilaby sie jej wersja. Jeszcze raz czytamy fragmenty rozpaczliwego listu Bozeny i Jacka: Dano nam do podpisu jakies dokumenty in blanco i powiedziano nam ze pieniadze tu zarobione beda przeznaczone na nasza nauke w szkole tej organizacji w Durbanie w South Africa. Po dwch miesiacach ciezkiej pracy powiedziano nam ze do Durbanu nie pojedziemy bo osoba ktra z nami sie kontaktowala i dawala nam dokumenty in blanco ma inne plany w stosunku do nas ta osoba przedstawiala sie nam imieniem Elza Maria. Else Marie to mzg NetUp. mwi Anka Naprawde ciezki orzech do zgryzienia i chyba jest koszmarem kazdego, kto po raz pierwszy sie z nia styka. Ale jest tez swietnym psychologiem i jej zadaniem jest ocenic, czy przyszli wolontariusze tak naprawde nadaja sie do tej pracy. Bo wolontariat to nie wakacje, jak sie niektrym najwyrazniej wydaje. Z tego, co opowiadal mi Jacek, sama moglabym stwierdzic, ze takiego wolontariusza nie chcialabym miec tam, gdzie ludzie umieraja z glodu i od chorb. Jego sny o wielkosci byly przerazajace. Opowiadal o znajomym, ktry zalatwi mu prace i o tym, jak zostanie wlascicielem plantacji oplywajacym w dobra wszelakie. Marzyl mu sie chyba powrt niewolnictwa, bo z radoscia mwil o swych przyszlych czarnych slugach. Nie dziwie sie Else Marie, ze chciala zrobic wszystko, by zapobiec takiemu obrotowi rzeczy. Kontaktuje sie z Else Marie i pytam o pare Polakw, ktrzy w sierpniu zeszlego roku zaczeli pracowac dla NetUp. Skontaktowali sie z nami na rok przed tym, zanim faktycznie przylaczyli sie do programu mwi Else chlodno i rzeczowo Przyjechali wtedy na info-weekend i postanowili wziac udzial w projekcie. Chcieli jechac do szkoly w Durbanie, RPA, ale nie spelniali dwch podstawowych warunkw nie mieli pieniedzy i nie znali angielskiego. Z pieniedzmi moglismy pomc, ale ich poziom jezyka, zwlaszcza Jacka, ktry nie znal ani slowa po angielsku, wykluczal ich natychmiastowy udzial. Postawilismy im warunek nauczcie sie jezyka i mozecie zaczac trening. Bozena skontaktowala sie z nami po roku, mwiac, ze juz sie nauczyli i chca zaczac NetUp. Zgodzilismy sie i wyslalismy ich prosto do Goeteborga. Anka patrzy na ten sam fragment tekstu i z niedowierzaniem kreci glowa. Prosze tylko popatrzec podpisuja dokumenty, bez patrzenia, co to jest! Az sie prosza o nieszczescie. A tam przeciez wszystko jest czarne na bialym przynosi mi kopie swoich papierw Umowa jest jasna poniewaz UFF w Szwecji nie zatrudnia danej osoby, tylko placi szkole za prace jej uczniw, pieniadze nie sa tak naprawde czyjas placa, bo UFF w tym systemie nie potrzebowal nawet znac naszych imion. Tak wiec nie jest to cos do odzyskania i to od razu jest jasno powiedziane. Pracujesz po to, zeby nie placic 20 000 koron wpisowego, a nie, zeby te pieniadze miec. Ta praca to ich pomoc dla ciebie, ale tez gwarant, ze dajac to miejsce wlasnie tobie, nie marnuja go na kogos, kto wezmie pieniadze i zrezygnuje, bo przeciez ktos bardziej odpowiedni mglby w tym czasie pracowac na tym stanowisku. Jesli nie zgadzasz sie z warunkami, nie bierz udzialu w projekcie, albo zbierz pieniadze inaczej, ale nie tlumacz sie tym, ze nie wiedziales, co podpisujesz. czyta dalej i zaczyna sie smiac To pamietam. Przez dwa miesiace pracy w Geteborgu schudlem 25 kg a moja dziewczyna 12 kg a dlatego ze nam dawano tylko 300 koron szwedzkich na jedzenie. Oboje byli z siebie dumni, bo wczesniej ona byla paczek, a onduzy mwi A poza tym trzysta koron na tydzien to bardzo duzo. Dodatkowo dostawalismy pieniadze na transport, a zakwaterowanie mielismy za darmo. Jacek i Bozenka po prostu oszczedzali na wszyskim. Kiedy przyjechalam, Jacek chwalil sie, ze na biletach i jedzeniu odlozyli juz tysiac koron. Mial system. Nie chcial biletu miesiecznego, tylko dziesiecioprzejazdowy za 100 koron. Taki bilet starczal teoretycznie na cztery piec dni. Potem potrzebowal nastepnego. Tymczasem oni w ogle go nie kupowali, tylko regularnie brali pieniadze od szefowej, a sami jezdzili samochodem z Polka, ktra w UFF normalnie pracowala. Z jedzeniem bylo podobnie ryz dzien w dzien, az jeden mezczyzna w pracy sie nad nimi zlitowal i zaczal dokarmiac, a w niedziele zapraszac do siebie na obiad i popijawe. Jacek powiedzial, ze jak bede mila, to moze bede mogla z nimi pjsc. Nie poszlam. Nie chcialam. Czyli jednak miska ryzu dziennie? Dla nich i z ich wlasnej woli! prycha Anka Ja i jeszcze jeden chlopak w NetUp urzadzilismy sie za te same pieniadze calkiem niezle. W piatki, kiedy pracowalismy znacznie krcej, chodzilismy na wielkie zakupy do pobliskiego marketu, gdzie zwlaszcza warzywa byly stosunkowo tanie. W sobotnie wieczory robilismy wypad na miasto, a w niedziele do kina. A potem niedzielny obiad! Raz wrcilismy tak pzno, ze zdecydowalismy sie na niedzielny obiad w poniedzialek. Ten wlasnie dzien, niestety, wybrala Else Marie na przywiezienie nowego NetUp- owicza i niespodziewana wizyte. Niestety, bo ja i Marcin zaplanowalismy, ze na ten obiad bedziemy miec lososia w bialym winie i juz zaczelam gotowac, kiedy Else zadzwonila. Nie bylo ani czasu, ani mojej wyjatkowej checi na robienie zakupw i gotowanie dla czworga, wiec koniec koncw Nowy i Else siedzieli nad mrozona pizza, a my jedlismy lososia. Myslalam, ze mi uwieznie w gardle! Takiej sceny w zyciu bym sie nie spodziewala! Ale Else zniosla to z kamienna twarza i wkrtce wszyscy skonczylismy ten dziwny posilek lodowym deserem. Jacka i Bozenki juz wtedy nie bylo. A bilety? Tez tak kombinowalas, zeby miec wiecej na jedzenie, wyjscia, kino? W zyciu! Po tygodniu na setce powiedzialam szefowej, ze przeciez i tak zostaje miesiac, wiec wolalabym bilet miesieczny za czterysta. To tez efekt tego, ze ja przeczytalam, co podpisywalam. Koszty transportu i wyzywienia oplacane byly z tego, co zarabialismy. A poza tym bilet miesieczny pozwalal mi na wypady, kiedy tylko mi sie podobalo, bo mial nieograniczona liczbe przejazdw, podczas gdy Jacek i Bozenka ciagle siedzieli w mieszkaniu, bo zal im bylo pieniedzy. Pamietam jedna awanture o to, ze wystawilam ich do wiatru, kiedy pojechali na niedzielny obiad do tego czlowieka. Okazalo sie, ze kiedy Jacek juz sie niezle upil, wymyslil, ze ja tez tam powinnam byc, i przyjechal do mieszkania, by mnie ze soba zabrac. Ja tymczasem bylam z Marcinem w parku rozrywki i o planach Jacka nie mialam pojecia. To sie zdazylo kilka razy. Widac mial jakis problem z moja swoboda poruszania sie po miescie. Strasznie surowo go oceniasz. Widac ja mam problem z takimi ludzmi. Pierwsze, czego dowiedzialam sie po przyjsciu do pracy, to jak krasc, zeby nikt nie widzial. Jacek byl z tego strasznie dumny i nawynosili rzeczy torbami. Te ostatnie zreszta tez kradli. Kiedy w koncu wyjezdzali, ta sama Polka, ktra codziennie wozila ich do pracy, musiala im pomc dostac sie na dworzec, bo nie byli w stanie tego wszystkiego we dwjke zabrac. Jednego dnia Jacek przylapal mnie na niefrasobliwym przebieraniu rzeczy, ktre sortowalam. Zaczal syczec, zebym nie robila tego tak otwarcie, bo wszyscy wpadniemy. Nie mial pojecia, ze ja nie kradlam, tylko kupowalam jak kazdy inny normalny pracownik UFF. W sortowni rzeczy sa wyjatkowo tanie. To ich sposb zapobiegania kradziezom, ktry najwyrazniej, w wiekszosci przypadkw, dziala. Poza tym, nie z moja pomoca, szefowa dobrze wiedziala, co Jacek i Bozenka robia. I to tez z pewnoscia trafilo do Else Marie. Koniec koncw Jacek byl po prostu ordynarny, pomiatal Bozenka na wszystkie strony, kobiety w pracy bez przerwy musialy znosic jego seksistowskie uwagi i to az zadziwiajace, jak bardzo potrafil byc nieprzyjemny, skoro sex, aaah bylo wszystkim, co umial powiedziec po angielsku. Anka konczy twardo i znw czyta. Po tej ciezkiej pracy wyslano nas do szkoly Humany do Bogence tam bylismy 5 dni i dali nam pokj z daleka od innych ludzi dlatego zebysmy sie z nikim nie kontaktowali bo powiedzielismy Elzie Marii ze nie podoba nam sie zmiana szkoly. Rozmawiam z dyrektorka Bogense, ktra swietnie pamieta te pare. Zaprosilismy ich na info-weekend, bo o to poprosila nas Else Marie. Uwazala, ze nie sa jeszcze gotowi, a moze wcale nie powinni brac udzialu w programie. Jacek nie tylko przez rok nie nauczyl sie angielskiego, ale nawet nie skorzystal z dwumiesiecznej okazji w Goeteborgu, kiedy to znalazl sie w mwiacym wylacznie po angielsku srodowisku. Else chciala, by jeszcze raz przemysleli swoja decyzje. Ale juz na pewno wiedzielismy, ze do Durbanu nie mozemy ich wyslac. Bez znajomosci jezyka to bezsensowne i co gorsza niebezpieczne. Podobno ich izolowaliscie? On w ogle nie znal jezyka i, chociaz powiedzielismy im, ze warunkiem dalszych rozmw jest udzial w weekendowym programie, zamkneli sie w pokoju i ani razu nie przyszli na zaden z wykladw. Poza tym widziala pani nasze korytarze tu sa tylko trzy krtkie skrzydla, nie ma zadnych izolatek, a zeby dojsc do znajdujacej sie w polowie drogi lazienki, kazdy musi wyjsc na korytarz i naprawde nie sposb nie spotkac nikogo innego. Po pieciu dniach wyslali nas do Tvind i zagrozono nam ze zostaniemy rozdzieleni jak nam sie to nie podoba. To nie tak mwi dyrektorka szkoly Tvind byl nasza ostatnia deska ratunku. I ich takze. Caly czas sie awanturowali, glwnie o pieniadze, a moze raczej powinnam powiedziec Jacek caly czas wysylal Bozenke, zeby awanturowala sie w jego imieniu. Ona prbowala jego wrzaski przekazac w lagodniejszej formie, ale ton mwil sam za siebie. A my nie jestesmy agencja turystyczna. Moze nie placimy, ale na pewno zatrudniamy. Taka jest idea wolontariatu. I zgodnie z tym nie musimy przyjac kazdego. Nawet, jesli zaplacil. Nie mozemy dopuscic do tego, by zruinowal prace bardziej wartosciowych ludzi. A ten pomysl z rozdzielaniem? Nie trzeba bylo byc wybitnym psychologiem, by stwierdzic, ze bez Jacka Bozenka jest sympatyczna osoba. W dodatku mwiaca troche po angielsku i chetniejsza do nauki i nawiazywania kontaktw. Nie chcielismy zmarnowac jej wkladu, wiec zaproponowalismy, ze przez jakis czas beda w dwch rznych szkolach. Jacek zrobil z tego ogromna afere i sie nie zgodzil. Szkoda. I zal nam dziewczyny. Duzo od niego mlodszej i inteligentniejszej, a jednak zepchnietej na margines tego zwiazku. W listopadzie pojechalismy autostopem z ciezkim bagazem do DENN HAAG na fondrejzing nie dali nam na droge zadnych pieniedzy ani jedzenia przejechalismy 800 km glodni. Czyli jednak w koncu zgodzili sie wejsc do projektu startujacego w Tvind? I od razu taki zimny prysznic? Fundraising i glodwka? Nikt nie wyjezdza bez pieniedzy mwi dyrektorka. Potem pytam tez Anke, ktra ma juz za soba prawie dwa tygodnie regularnej sprzedazy gazet. I, po tym czasie, praktycznie wszystkie pieniadze, ktrych od niej wymagano. Malo, bo malo, ale nigdy nie wysylaja bez niczego. I zawsze na podrz zabieramy jedzenie ze szkoly. Jesli nie nocujemy u siebie to na kazdy dzien mamy 70 koron. Znosnie. Nam pozostalo tylko kilka dni legalnego pobytu w Danii wiec na dwa dni przed koncem pobytu kazano nam jechac do Anglii do szkoly w Hull ale najtanszym transportem bo nie dadza nam pieniedzy. Zdumiewa mnie ich brak zdolnosci przewidywania mwi Anka I Jacka i Bozenki, i samej szkoly. A co do pieniedzy czy ktos wyobraza sobie Czerwony Krzyz placacy za podrz dwojga bezuzytecznych wolontariuszy, ktrzy nawet nie potrafili zadbac o to, by byc w kraju, do ktrego jada, legalnie?! [Nauczycielka] dala nam pieniadze na bilety do Londynu z Hamburga w kwocie 800 koron dunskich dopiero wtedy kiedy powiedzielismy ze my bez pieniedzy nigdzie nie pojedziemy. Od czwartego grudnia do trzynastego stycznia bylismy w Polsce. Mwia, ze spznili sie na autobus w Hamburgu i musieli jechac do Polski, bo zostal im tylko jeden dzien legalnego pobytu. Szkola w Tvind twierdzi, ze w ogle nie mieli zamiaru jechac do Anglii. Wzieli pieniadze i znikneli. Do Tvind przyjechalismy pietnastego stycznania po zostawione tam nasze ubrania i na drugi dzien mielismy jechac do Anglii do Hull poniewaz [nauczycielka] powiedziala nam ze nasze pieniadze zarobione w Szwecji w kwocie 15 000 koron dunskich zostaly przekazane z Tvind do szkoly w Anglii i tu nie mozemy zostac. I znw, w Tvind twierdza, ze Jacek i Bozenka, tak, jak znikneli, tak sie nagle pojawili, po raz kolejny domagajac sie pieniedzy na podrz do Anglii, raz im juz ofiarowanych. Cierpliwosc organizacji byla na wyczerpaniu. Zaczelismy pakowac nasze rzeczy i nagle powiedziala nam [nauczycielka] ze nie pojedziemy do Anglii i mamy wracac do Polski. I sie wyczerpala. Zamknela nam lodwke z jedzeniem na stolwce i glodzila nas bo my nie majac pieniedzy nie moglismy kupic sobie jedzenia. [Nauczycielka] wchodzila do naszego pokoju i wylaczla nam ogrzewanie azebysmy marzli. Zginely nam wtedy nasze niektre rzeczy osobiste. Codziennie przychodzila do naszego pokoju i kazala nam wyjechac a mysmy prosili azeby Human sie z nami rozliczyla bo mieszkalismy w Tvind tylko dwa miesiace a zarobilismy dla tej organizacjii 30 000 koron szwedzkich i nie wykorzystalismy tych pieniedzy. Odpowiedziala nam ze wezwie policje jezeli do dnia nastepnego nie wyjedziemy. Chcielismy porozmawiac z szefem szkoly w Tvind Anna Lausen ale szef nam odpowiedziala ze to nie jest jej sprawa i nie bedzie z nami rozmawiac. I znowu mwi Anka Trzeba patrzec, co sie podpisuje! Miesiac w szkole kosztuje 8000 koron dunskich i nie jest to cena wygrowana, ale umowa wyraznie zaznacza, ze w przypadku rezygnacji z programu uczestnik placi za kazdy miesiac pobytu plus za jeden ekstra. W ich przypadku to daje 48 000 koron. Tymczasem to ich niby zarobione 30 000 nalezaloby zmniejszyc o koszty wyzywienia, transportu (z czego najwyrazniej nie zdawali sobie sprawy) i telefonw do Polski, ktrych nigdy nie oplacili. Rachunek na 700 koron przyszedl tuz przed ich wyjazdem z Goeteborga. Jak sie okazalo, wieczorami uzywali telefonu w biurze, liczac na to, ze nikt nie zauwazy. Gdyby ktokolwiek mial sie czegokolwiek domagac, to juz raczej organizacja od nich. Czyli nie powinnam cie pytac o te lodwke i wchodzenie do pokoju? Nie wierze, zeby ginely im rzeczy. Zreszta i tak kradzione. Moze po prostu nie mogli sie ich doliczyc. A w Tvind bylam i wiem, ze tam nie ma jak zamknac lodwki. Ogrzewanie? Szwankuje we wszystkich szkolach bez niczyjej pomocy! Poprosilismy naszego kolege Gregora ze Slowenii azeby pomgl nam wyjechac z Tvind bo mamy duze bagaze i nie mamy pieniedzy i nie damy sobie rady. Kolega ten na nasza prosbe odwizl nas samochodem do granicy Dunsko Szwedzkiej bo w Geteborgu mamy kolege ktry nam pomoze wrcic do Polski. Gregor kupil nam bilety na prom do Geteborga i w ten sposb potraktowala nas organizacja humanitarna Humana People TO PEOPLE. Czyli calkiem dobrze? pyta Anka z przekasem i odwraca sie ku mnie Dlaczego mnie nikt nie zapyta, jaki byl mj NetUp? Ja tam sie swietnie bawilam. Praca byla ciezka, ale pieniadze za nia fair. Zreszta nie mialam nawet 10 000, kiedy nadszedl termin rozpoczecia mojego kursu. Zadzwonilam do Else Marie z pytaniem, czy powinnam zostac dluzej i zarobic wszystko. Powiedziala: Nie, twoja grupa i nauka sa wazniejsze. Wiec przyjechalam i dostalam stypendium, pokrywajace reszte pierwszej wplaty. Reszta tutaj to pestka, a ludzie sa wspaniali. Brzmi, jakbys byla w zupelnie innej organizacji. Nie, ja tylko jestem innym czlowiekiem. Mam szanse byc warta pieniedzy, ktre we mnie zaiwestowano. To nie jest przypadkiem na odwrt? Nie mwi Anka i tlumaczy mi, jak dziecku, jak zostac wolontariuszem i o co w tym wszystkim chodzi.

Danish Police this worst Police on world. Have cheats from Humana and permit to act to them and all people see their combinations. But Danish Police this does not see, this is scandal.

Here is a link to a danish newspapers site, where you can read to interesting article about UFF - the clothe collections in Denmark.

http://www.berlingske.dk/artikel:aid=208772/

Essence of the article:

For more then teen years UFF, a major Tvind company in Denmark, har denied selling clothes in easten europe and canalising the money to the Teachers Group. Now that the police is invesigating the case, they finally admitted selling the collected clothes to their own companies, who brought the clothes to the easten eroupaen marked, where they sold the same clothes with a big profit, that was canalised to TG. Only the profit from the first sale, was given to Humana. The really big profit from the second sale didn't go to Humana, but to TG. This way they mislead everyone that has ever donated there used clohtes to help people in thierd world contries.

Frsig

Very well put points. Thanks.

So who is really who? As far as I know, Steen Thomsen is far too busy doing other things than what is concerning Tvind. Is he the writer as you seem to suggest? Perhaps - but presumably he isn't. However, as a former long term TG I can only say that just about every single item he has written is certainly recognizable, and I do not se anything else but a soberly written report. Of course it is necessarily subjective. But what I have experienced myself. What about contacting Steen Thomsen in person; - i guess you are British? Ask the Danish telephone enquiry, and I am sure you will find him.

People, whiches drive Polish page www. humana. of. pl Lived in Tvind, worked for Humana to time when uncovered , that this organization this band of cheats. Became deceived by Humana, used morally, financially and in every moment will be witnesses against cheats from Humana. Leading Polish page www. humana. of. pl directed matter to Police Polish and Danish for beginning conducts. In this of moment matter is in road of conduct. Our Knowledge on theme this of organization permits us on informing of people in Europe and World of who are Danes from Humana People To People. This usual thieves and cheats. We there were and saw what there happens , we have on this proofs , which are to disposal of Police. We greet readers www. tvindalert. org. uk Read this page every day.

Drafting www. humana. of. pl tvinddanger @ go2. pl

Wow.

I really thought, these site could not be beaten in the question of spreading stupid crap, lies & misinformation.

But now it seems, our Polish friend, who is posting in these guestbook 3 times a day, even started an own website.

Heaven helps !

If his website is on the same niveau as his postings here ... well, he might be an adequate representative for tvindalert in his country.

He must have been at least 2 months in a school in Denmark, maybe even in NetUp - so who could have more insight & knowledge of Tvind ??

Amazing ...

It may be that the writer below uses 'guesses, presumptions, thoughts and fantasy' but so what. This is not an academic column and not all of our reactions are based solely on fact. Often they are based on emotions, how we feel. So the writer is not to be criticised for that. Obviously, he has a chip on his shoulder. Like Steen Thomsen, he writes of his strong dislike for M. Amdi Pedersen and is disparaging of 'Ruth, Bolette, Bodil and Birgitte'. He indicates some detailed knowledge, so should not be dismissed lightly. Everyone has a right to an opinion. But again like Steen Thomsen his perception is a flawed one. I do not buy the mind control theory or the use of anecdotal evidence to suggest that Amdi is some kind of monster. Everyone who joins the teachers' groups makes his or her own decisions and choices about their personal lives and how that live them. If you or I had experienced what Steen describes, would we really have stayed a staunchly loyal member for 25 years? Why did Steen stay so long? It doesn't add up. In my opinion, Lars Peter Pendrup, Sune Joergensen, Anders Svensson, Erik Eriksen and the others were quite correct in what they said to the Danish press. I belive that Steen Thomsen knows that his perception of the teachers' group is flawed. He has seen members of the teachers group since he left and he knows that they have not experienced the things he describes, the privations, the bullying tactics etc. He has seen people making decisions about their personal lives, making choices. Perhaps he thinks: "Oh, can you now do this in the teachers' group, can you now do that?" Well, guess what Steen...you always could! That's the whole point. Steen's report played right into the hands of the Danish press and the politicians who for years had been searching unsuccessfully for a reason to go after the teachers' group. It has nothing to do with Amdi being 'a simple criminal.' He is neither simple nor a criminal. It has everything to do with a press and a government (any government) intent on criminalising him. The Danish police have nothing to be congratulated for. They are stooges. Of course, the teachers' group has weaknesses like any organization. One is the lack of an effective public relations initiative that could communicate on its behalf. That is why we have to suffer things like that awful BBC radio interview of some months ago. Don't be too quick to accept Steen's report as objective fact. Steen's experience, with all due respect, is not representative of the teachers' group. I was in the teachers group but I'm not now. Steen, you and I worked together, travelled abroad with our students together, talked together. I wish you well. Don't forget, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Allow me that privilege. Thankyou.

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