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ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

It is easy enough to say that "Humanas money does not go where it is supposed to".

But please think rationally. It is close to 200 projects run by Humana. It has been quite some critical eyes looking upon how the money is spent for many years, and they havent found anything that really is not as it should be. It IS many, many people that thinks Humana does a very good work.

Visit www.drh-movement.org and www.humana.org for more relevant information

Furter. If any of you ever donate to a Humana, to one of the Travelling Folk high schools can I tell you that it is safe. I have personally seen and worked at several projects and know many that have done the same and are satisfied with how it is run.

the one here telling that the donated money goes to some luxury places do not have a clue about what he is talking about

 

First, it is not clear that Humana is doing a good job in third world countries...there is no independent evaluation of the programs. The one thing that is clear, is that the same old problems are made over and over. Second, it matters what the TG is doing with its money comes from people who are donating to a charity in order to help people. If you are going to beg on the streets to help the third world and beg for free food and beg for free accomindations it seems that society has an interest in knowing what the money is going to.

Yes Humana has accomplished a lot....but living in luxury apartments is not what most people who donate think they are supporting.

Why is it so important to know what the TG is doing with their money? It their own business. Is it not much more interesting to know that Humana is really doing a good job in third world countries?

I suspect that quite some people in the UN organs are quite wealthy. But they do not put their salaries together, so they are not "criminal as Tvind".

When many people put their salaries together THAT THEY HAVE EARNT BY WORKING, can a lot be done. It also create reactions.

 

 

I think that this site is a proof of that people in the TG has achieved quite some remarcableble results.

A bunch of people, starting about 30 years ago put their money together to do something.

Today we see Humana,schools, private enterprizes, farms and many activities.

Great achievemnt!

Yes, how stupid of me. Despite the fact that the leader of the TG is living a luxurious lifestyle based on the donations to the 3rd world, we should just shut up and get to work like all good Tvind-ites......I guess it is better to accomplish the enrichment of a total bastard than to try and stop this abuse. Again, mea culpa I'm so sorry.

Don't you people have anything better to do with your lives then to complain about a group of people that aren't even concerned with yours. Come on, these people are doing something that they want to do and are doing it. How much in your life have you accomplished???????? Get a life and find something else to do then to complain about nothing.

I have no idea what criteria Agfund used to judge programs. From what I see from their webpage all it took was an application and there was little or no ground-checking. And we all know that the TG are experts in propaganda about themselves.

In terms why doesn't the TG do something else...well they do. Clearcutting lumber in Brazil and growing bananas in Belize. Also they also seem to embemzle money from their aid projects. Perhaps not the most effecient way to make money but it works. I for one would support the TG dropping the pretense of "good work" and they becoming full capitalists...at least then they would make their volunteers cynical.

Who are you asking? Somebody from TG trying to calculate out who I am? You will find out sooner or later anyway. Don't worry. Or was it of some other reason? Why do you think I will answer an anonumous poster? You tell me who you are first. Sigge

Hey Sigge. How long have you been in TG and when you left?

YES there are results. YES some people are doing good. But please, please TG-people STOP focusing only on your results. Stop rationalizing stop defending yourselves. Stop hiding the fact that there is a hidden curriculum! I know that you are aware of it. I was! But I defended it to be necessary. I thought TG was ahead of it's time, misunderstood by media etc. (still I find many of Tvind-related articles mostly ridiculous and not targeting the real problems). I hid things from students and I hid facts from those TG members that were better not to know this or that "yet". They might be new members and react in a wrong way to certain things. I never talked about Amdi to anybody. We just didn't talk about him. that meant my thoughts about him were my personal thoughts. I thought he was a fantastic man. Sure everybody else thought so as well. But as we never or seldom commented anything there was no risk for bad talk among us either. I knew he was the boss. Was it what I talked about when an outsider questioned? No. In order to let him keep the power I needed to think of him as a "good" leader. As a good example. I was listening to stories told about how fantastic he was and how hardworking, thoughtful... But never mentioned this to students. Isn't this double moral, dear old TG-friends? YES most of you are working like hell and doing a damn good work. Some of you are really clever and talented, some of you are oppressed. But please...there are so many good things one can do outside TG! I mean you act like people in a bad marriage, defending it until the last blooddrop. I don't feel any guilt of divorcing TG anymore. I am SO happy!

Sigge

I must admit I always expected to find Amdi living it up but what a absolute bastard, all that bullshit he was coming out with all those years. How many people he has conned I wonder what he really thought about the people in his organisation collecting money on the streets. Its a betrayal on a collossal scale.

I guess the AGFUND looked at the RESULTS of the TCE projects - and that's why they decided to give them the prize.

Look at the RESULTS people - and please think about it. How is it possible for HUMANA to pull off so many projects, and to develop more and more, if the money that is collected for it in the West doesn't end up where it is supposed to be?

IF the TG only wanted to make money, why would they choose to do it in such a difficult way - ripping of charities or running schools that doesn't receive any government funding. I know these TGs (or at least some of them). Most of them are dead smart and could earn big salaries in business. If amassing wealth was the only thing the TG was about - why do they bother with troublemaking youth or projects in really awkward places in the world?

I read the message ending with "Thanks for reading", and got terribly irritated. Who are you to talk about diversity? About visions? About pointing fingers at sbd else? Who are you to tell about doing good? How can you be so sure of that you (whoever in TG you are and wherever you are placed) actually ARE doing good? Yes, you can vomit even more from your statistics ripped out from "State of the world's children reports" etc showing the situation of the third world. I agree, it is terrible. But that is just a curtain covering up for what you really do...Why are you NOT telling about the endless teacher's meetings where you discuss all participant's? About the aim of all later joining the teacher's group? About the need of "upbringing" of the participants you mostly forget are adults? Your words about UN's good work blablabla is just a coward way of trying to justify your own work. Why don't you write about what you REALLY think about UN? Why don't you write what TG thinks about UN or all other organisations that are not TGs? I mean, as far as I know Amdi doesn't give a shit of people outside TG. Neither was his words about UN really uplifting as far as I can remember. What I really dislike about you TG-people is the way of deciding some things being TG-talk, some other things the things you tell to people "outside". The sort of talk that is on your leaflets, broschures, lectures, web-pages, etc. It is called propaganda. You might fool some people with your bullshit about visions, you sure don't fool me no more. How come you still haven't woke up? Too many invested years of your life to your "vision"? Count the hours you have spent on the streets begging for money! I spent alltogether NINE months on the streets. I collected around 20 000 alltogether! If that would have been for instance to Joao and Fernando and all other decent poor people in Angola, but... GOLF CLUB-memberships...Damn Amdi and Kirsten, I really thought you were nice, gorgeous people, I really looked up to you once...Now I really am angry and I hope that they'll get you and make you pay! And you with the visions...why don't you just move on yourself and see what a lie you are living on! Whoever you are, what ever mountaintop you are living on...I feel sorry for you.

People believe what they want to believe. Alot of the tvindies are in the organisation because they reject alot of the pressures of everyday life. Tvind and the comradeship and support they recieve from their friends within the organisation makes up for alot. Its a shame that such a group of people ended up in such dire straights. Amdi started out as a left winger with Marxist tendencies and he ended up living with the rich on a private island. The same mugabe was a marxist lives in a Palace and drives round in a motorcade. I will have to think about this alot what I can say is I don't believe in Politics any more

I really wonder if this will change much for Tvind. First, members of the TG will likely just discount it as yet another attack from an unfriendly world. (You'd be amazed at how much rationalization people are capable of). Second, they will claim that Amdi is not really part of their organization and that his actions are not connected even though they are. Finally, they will enter that "lets just hunker down and work" mentality and ignore what is right in front of them.

I sincerely hope that people actually take the time to stop and think about what this means but I fear that they won't. If people don't want to face the truth they will find ways to avoid it and the TG are experts in pushing aside all evidence that contradicts their worldview.

 

 

 

It is to be hoped that the thousands of young people who have given their cash, time and effort to this dreadful organization will now be reimbursed. The police should mount an international hunt world wide for Petersens cash. It should all be redistributed to the donors with interest. Petersen himself should be brought to justice in the most uncivilised country in which Tvind has so called humanitarian projects. This man does not deserve any justice in for instance Denmark. That country would probably release him after a few years, anyway. He sould also be held responsible for all the suicides in his wake.

Hi all.

Tvindalert and Jyllands posten can write whatever. We just continue to do our work as good as we can.

 

 

What happens to the schools in Africa if Tvind really falls apart (as hopefully, it will)?

In my opinion, it would be diasterous for Angola, Mozambique and Zimbabwe if Tvind shuts its doors with noone there to pick up the pieces. I seem to have heard that Tvind controls something like 90% of the entire school system in Mozambique alone. In my opinion, after Amdi's properties have been sold and the Tvind teachers have been given their rightfully deserved compensations, the remainder of the money in the Flleseje fund should be put into a real fund that would then be administered by someone like the Danish government, the European Union or what have you. This fund would then provide for the continous funding of Tvind's African school systems, ensuring that ALL the raised money will finally go to its intended recipients.

Peter

(btw, I'm not a big fan of Amdi's buddy Mugabe either, but I don't think it would do much good to the plight of ordinary Zimbabweans to have any schools in their country close.)

Hmm, OK. Now that it's beginning to sink in, what have the pro-Tvind writers got to say about this? Tomas? Anna? You all seem to be keeping rather quiet....

I all fairness, I have to say that it must be a humbling experience to realise that one has been so cleverly and comprehensively duped. It seems that this really has been the most impressive piece of indoctrination. Amdi, and his close associates, deserve Oscars for their performances. They really seem to have pulled the wool over people's eyes, anyone who wanted to do some good in the world could be so easily taken in. That is the biggest tragedy of all this - shattered ideals.

 

Amdi Petersen is found in luxury hideaway

Mogens Amdi Petersen, the reclusive leader of the so-called 'aid charity' Tvind, has been located in a luxury private tropical island resort off Miami, according to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten yesterday.

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

But please think rationally. It is close to 200 projects run by Humana. It has been quite some critical eyes looking upon how the money is spent for many years, and they havent found anything that really is not as it should be. It IS many, many people that thinks Humana does a very good work.

Visit www.drh-movement.org and www.humana.org for more relevant information

Furter. If any of you ever donate to a Humana, to one of the Travelling Folk high schools can I tell you that it is safe. I have personally seen and worked at several projects and know many that have done the same and are satisfied with how it is run.

the one here telling that the donated money goes to some luxury places do not have a clue about what he is talking about

 

First, it is not clear that Humana is doing a good job in third world countries...there is no independent evaluation of the programs. The one thing that is clear, is that the same old problems are made over and over. Second, it matters what the TG is doing with its money comes from people who are donating to a charity in order to help people. If you are going to beg on the streets to help the third world and beg for free food and beg for free accomindations it seems that society has an interest in knowing what the money is going to.

Yes Humana has accomplished a lot....but living in luxury apartments is not what most people who donate think they are supporting.

Why is it so important to know what the TG is doing with their money? It their own business. Is it not much more interesting to know that Humana is really doing a good job in third world countries?

I suspect that quite some people in the UN organs are quite wealthy. But they do not put their salaries together, so they are not "criminal as Tvind".

When many people put their salaries together THAT THEY HAVE EARNT BY WORKING, can a lot be done. It also create reactions.

 

 

I think that this site is a proof of that people in the TG has achieved quite some remarcableble results.

A bunch of people, starting about 30 years ago put their money together to do something.

Today we see Humana,schools, private enterprizes, farms and many activities.

Great achievemnt!

Yes, how stupid of me. Despite the fact that the leader of the TG is living a luxurious lifestyle based on the donations to the 3rd world, we should just shut up and get to work like all good Tvind-ites......I guess it is better to accomplish the enrichment of a total bastard than to try and stop this abuse. Again, mea culpa I'm so sorry.

Don't you people have anything better to do with your lives then to complain about a group of people that aren't even concerned with yours. Come on, these people are doing something that they want to do and are doing it. How much in your life have you accomplished???????? Get a life and find something else to do then to complain about nothing.

I have no idea what criteria Agfund used to judge programs. From what I see from their webpage all it took was an application and there was little or no ground-checking. And we all know that the TG are experts in propaganda about themselves.

In terms why doesn't the TG do something else...well they do. Clearcutting lumber in Brazil and growing bananas in Belize. Also they also seem to embemzle money from their aid projects. Perhaps not the most effecient way to make money but it works. I for one would support the TG dropping the pretense of "good work" and they becoming full capitalists...at least then they would make their volunteers cynical.

Who are you asking? Somebody from TG trying to calculate out who I am? You will find out sooner or later anyway. Don't worry. Or was it of some other reason? Why do you think I will answer an anonumous poster? You tell me who you are first. Sigge

Hey Sigge. How long have you been in TG and when you left?

YES there are results. YES some people are doing good. But please, please TG-people STOP focusing only on your results. Stop rationalizing stop defending yourselves. Stop hiding the fact that there is a hidden curriculum! I know that you are aware of it. I was! But I defended it to be necessary. I thought TG was ahead of it's time, misunderstood by media etc. (still I find many of Tvind-related articles mostly ridiculous and not targeting the real problems). I hid things from students and I hid facts from those TG members that were better not to know this or that "yet". They might be new members and react in a wrong way to certain things. I never talked about Amdi to anybody. We just didn't talk about him. that meant my thoughts about him were my personal thoughts. I thought he was a fantastic man. Sure everybody else thought so as well. But as we never or seldom commented anything there was no risk for bad talk among us either. I knew he was the boss. Was it what I talked about when an outsider questioned? No. In order to let him keep the power I needed to think of him as a "good" leader. As a good example. I was listening to stories told about how fantastic he was and how hardworking, thoughtful... But never mentioned this to students. Isn't this double moral, dear old TG-friends? YES most of you are working like hell and doing a damn good work. Some of you are really clever and talented, some of you are oppressed. But please...there are so many good things one can do outside TG! I mean you act like people in a bad marriage, defending it until the last blooddrop. I don't feel any guilt of divorcing TG anymore. I am SO happy!

Sigge

I must admit I always expected to find Amdi living it up but what a absolute bastard, all that bullshit he was coming out with all those years. How many people he has conned I wonder what he really thought about the people in his organisation collecting money on the streets. Its a betrayal on a collossal scale.

I guess the AGFUND looked at the RESULTS of the TCE projects - and that's why they decided to give them the prize.

Look at the RESULTS people - and please think about it. How is it possible for HUMANA to pull off so many projects, and to develop more and more, if the money that is collected for it in the West doesn't end up where it is supposed to be?

IF the TG only wanted to make money, why would they choose to do it in such a difficult way - ripping of charities or running schools that doesn't receive any government funding. I know these TGs (or at least some of them). Most of them are dead smart and could earn big salaries in business. If amassing wealth was the only thing the TG was about - why do they bother with troublemaking youth or projects in really awkward places in the world?

I read the message ending with "Thanks for reading", and got terribly irritated. Who are you to talk about diversity? About visions? About pointing fingers at sbd else? Who are you to tell about doing good? How can you be so sure of that you (whoever in TG you are and wherever you are placed) actually ARE doing good? Yes, you can vomit even more from your statistics ripped out from "State of the world's children reports" etc showing the situation of the third world. I agree, it is terrible. But that is just a curtain covering up for what you really do...Why are you NOT telling about the endless teacher's meetings where you discuss all participant's? About the aim of all later joining the teacher's group? About the need of "upbringing" of the participants you mostly forget are adults? Your words about UN's good work blablabla is just a coward way of trying to justify your own work. Why don't you write about what you REALLY think about UN? Why don't you write what TG thinks about UN or all other organisations that are not TGs? I mean, as far as I know Amdi doesn't give a shit of people outside TG. Neither was his words about UN really uplifting as far as I can remember. What I really dislike about you TG-people is the way of deciding some things being TG-talk, some other things the things you tell to people "outside". The sort of talk that is on your leaflets, broschures, lectures, web-pages, etc. It is called propaganda. You might fool some people with your bullshit about visions, you sure don't fool me no more. How come you still haven't woke up? Too many invested years of your life to your "vision"? Count the hours you have spent on the streets begging for money! I spent alltogether NINE months on the streets. I collected around 20 000 alltogether! If that would have been for instance to Joao and Fernando and all other decent poor people in Angola, but... GOLF CLUB-memberships...Damn Amdi and Kirsten, I really thought you were nice, gorgeous people, I really looked up to you once...Now I really am angry and I hope that they'll get you and make you pay! And you with the visions...why don't you just move on yourself and see what a lie you are living on! Whoever you are, what ever mountaintop you are living on...I feel sorry for you.

People believe what they want to believe. Alot of the tvindies are in the organisation because they reject alot of the pressures of everyday life. Tvind and the comradeship and support they recieve from their friends within the organisation makes up for alot. Its a shame that such a group of people ended up in such dire straights. Amdi started out as a left winger with Marxist tendencies and he ended up living with the rich on a private island. The same mugabe was a marxist lives in a Palace and drives round in a motorcade. I will have to think about this alot what I can say is I don't believe in Politics any more

I really wonder if this will change much for Tvind. First, members of the TG will likely just discount it as yet another attack from an unfriendly world. (You'd be amazed at how much rationalization people are capable of). Second, they will claim that Amdi is not really part of their organization and that his actions are not connected even though they are. Finally, they will enter that "lets just hunker down and work" mentality and ignore what is right in front of them.

I sincerely hope that people actually take the time to stop and think about what this means but I fear that they won't. If people don't want to face the truth they will find ways to avoid it and the TG are experts in pushing aside all evidence that contradicts their worldview.

 

 

 

It is to be hoped that the thousands of young people who have given their cash, time and effort to this dreadful organization will now be reimbursed. The police should mount an international hunt world wide for Petersens cash. It should all be redistributed to the donors with interest. Petersen himself should be brought to justice in the most uncivilised country in which Tvind has so called humanitarian projects. This man does not deserve any justice in for instance Denmark. That country would probably release him after a few years, anyway. He sould also be held responsible for all the suicides in his wake.

Hi all.

Tvindalert and Jyllands posten can write whatever. We just continue to do our work as good as we can.

 

 

What happens to the schools in Africa if Tvind really falls apart (as hopefully, it will)?

In my opinion, it would be diasterous for Angola, Mozambique and Zimbabwe if Tvind shuts its doors with noone there to pick up the pieces. I seem to have heard that Tvind controls something like 90% of the entire school system in Mozambique alone. In my opinion, after Amdi's properties have been sold and the Tvind teachers have been given their rightfully deserved compensations, the remainder of the money in the Flleseje fund should be put into a real fund that would then be administered by someone like the Danish government, the European Union or what have you. This fund would then provide for the continous funding of Tvind's African school systems, ensuring that ALL the raised money will finally go to its intended recipients.

Peter

(btw, I'm not a big fan of Amdi's buddy Mugabe either, but I don't think it would do much good to the plight of ordinary Zimbabweans to have any schools in their country close.)

Hmm, OK. Now that it's beginning to sink in, what have the pro-Tvind writers got to say about this? Tomas? Anna? You all seem to be keeping rather quiet....

I all fairness, I have to say that it must be a humbling experience to realise that one has been so cleverly and comprehensively duped. It seems that this really has been the most impressive piece of indoctrination. Amdi, and his close associates, deserve Oscars for their performances. They really seem to have pulled the wool over people's eyes, anyone who wanted to do some good in the world could be so easily taken in. That is the biggest tragedy of all this - shattered ideals.

 

Amdi Petersen is found in luxury hideaway

Mogens Amdi Petersen, the reclusive leader of the so-called 'aid charity' Tvind, has been located in a luxury private tropical island resort off Miami, according to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten yesterday.

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

Visit www.drh-movement.org and www.humana.org for more relevant information

Furter. If any of you ever donate to a Humana, to one of the Travelling Folk high schools can I tell you that it is safe. I have personally seen and worked at several projects and know many that have done the same and are satisfied with how it is run.

the one here telling that the donated money goes to some luxury places do not have a clue about what he is talking about

 

First, it is not clear that Humana is doing a good job in third world countries...there is no independent evaluation of the programs. The one thing that is clear, is that the same old problems are made over and over. Second, it matters what the TG is doing with its money comes from people who are donating to a charity in order to help people. If you are going to beg on the streets to help the third world and beg for free food and beg for free accomindations it seems that society has an interest in knowing what the money is going to.

Yes Humana has accomplished a lot....but living in luxury apartments is not what most people who donate think they are supporting.

Why is it so important to know what the TG is doing with their money? It their own business. Is it not much more interesting to know that Humana is really doing a good job in third world countries?

I suspect that quite some people in the UN organs are quite wealthy. But they do not put their salaries together, so they are not "criminal as Tvind".

When many people put their salaries together THAT THEY HAVE EARNT BY WORKING, can a lot be done. It also create reactions.

 

 

I think that this site is a proof of that people in the TG has achieved quite some remarcableble results.

A bunch of people, starting about 30 years ago put their money together to do something.

Today we see Humana,schools, private enterprizes, farms and many activities.

Great achievemnt!

Yes, how stupid of me. Despite the fact that the leader of the TG is living a luxurious lifestyle based on the donations to the 3rd world, we should just shut up and get to work like all good Tvind-ites......I guess it is better to accomplish the enrichment of a total bastard than to try and stop this abuse. Again, mea culpa I'm so sorry.

Don't you people have anything better to do with your lives then to complain about a group of people that aren't even concerned with yours. Come on, these people are doing something that they want to do and are doing it. How much in your life have you accomplished???????? Get a life and find something else to do then to complain about nothing.

I have no idea what criteria Agfund used to judge programs. From what I see from their webpage all it took was an application and there was little or no ground-checking. And we all know that the TG are experts in propaganda about themselves.

In terms why doesn't the TG do something else...well they do. Clearcutting lumber in Brazil and growing bananas in Belize. Also they also seem to embemzle money from their aid projects. Perhaps not the most effecient way to make money but it works. I for one would support the TG dropping the pretense of "good work" and they becoming full capitalists...at least then they would make their volunteers cynical.

Who are you asking? Somebody from TG trying to calculate out who I am? You will find out sooner or later anyway. Don't worry. Or was it of some other reason? Why do you think I will answer an anonumous poster? You tell me who you are first. Sigge

Hey Sigge. How long have you been in TG and when you left?

YES there are results. YES some people are doing good. But please, please TG-people STOP focusing only on your results. Stop rationalizing stop defending yourselves. Stop hiding the fact that there is a hidden curriculum! I know that you are aware of it. I was! But I defended it to be necessary. I thought TG was ahead of it's time, misunderstood by media etc. (still I find many of Tvind-related articles mostly ridiculous and not targeting the real problems). I hid things from students and I hid facts from those TG members that were better not to know this or that "yet". They might be new members and react in a wrong way to certain things. I never talked about Amdi to anybody. We just didn't talk about him. that meant my thoughts about him were my personal thoughts. I thought he was a fantastic man. Sure everybody else thought so as well. But as we never or seldom commented anything there was no risk for bad talk among us either. I knew he was the boss. Was it what I talked about when an outsider questioned? No. In order to let him keep the power I needed to think of him as a "good" leader. As a good example. I was listening to stories told about how fantastic he was and how hardworking, thoughtful... But never mentioned this to students. Isn't this double moral, dear old TG-friends? YES most of you are working like hell and doing a damn good work. Some of you are really clever and talented, some of you are oppressed. But please...there are so many good things one can do outside TG! I mean you act like people in a bad marriage, defending it until the last blooddrop. I don't feel any guilt of divorcing TG anymore. I am SO happy!

Sigge

I must admit I always expected to find Amdi living it up but what a absolute bastard, all that bullshit he was coming out with all those years. How many people he has conned I wonder what he really thought about the people in his organisation collecting money on the streets. Its a betrayal on a collossal scale.

I guess the AGFUND looked at the RESULTS of the TCE projects - and that's why they decided to give them the prize.

Look at the RESULTS people - and please think about it. How is it possible for HUMANA to pull off so many projects, and to develop more and more, if the money that is collected for it in the West doesn't end up where it is supposed to be?

IF the TG only wanted to make money, why would they choose to do it in such a difficult way - ripping of charities or running schools that doesn't receive any government funding. I know these TGs (or at least some of them). Most of them are dead smart and could earn big salaries in business. If amassing wealth was the only thing the TG was about - why do they bother with troublemaking youth or projects in really awkward places in the world?

I read the message ending with "Thanks for reading", and got terribly irritated. Who are you to talk about diversity? About visions? About pointing fingers at sbd else? Who are you to tell about doing good? How can you be so sure of that you (whoever in TG you are and wherever you are placed) actually ARE doing good? Yes, you can vomit even more from your statistics ripped out from "State of the world's children reports" etc showing the situation of the third world. I agree, it is terrible. But that is just a curtain covering up for what you really do...Why are you NOT telling about the endless teacher's meetings where you discuss all participant's? About the aim of all later joining the teacher's group? About the need of "upbringing" of the participants you mostly forget are adults? Your words about UN's good work blablabla is just a coward way of trying to justify your own work. Why don't you write about what you REALLY think about UN? Why don't you write what TG thinks about UN or all other organisations that are not TGs? I mean, as far as I know Amdi doesn't give a shit of people outside TG. Neither was his words about UN really uplifting as far as I can remember. What I really dislike about you TG-people is the way of deciding some things being TG-talk, some other things the things you tell to people "outside". The sort of talk that is on your leaflets, broschures, lectures, web-pages, etc. It is called propaganda. You might fool some people with your bullshit about visions, you sure don't fool me no more. How come you still haven't woke up? Too many invested years of your life to your "vision"? Count the hours you have spent on the streets begging for money! I spent alltogether NINE months on the streets. I collected around 20 000 alltogether! If that would have been for instance to Joao and Fernando and all other decent poor people in Angola, but... GOLF CLUB-memberships...Damn Amdi and Kirsten, I really thought you were nice, gorgeous people, I really looked up to you once...Now I really am angry and I hope that they'll get you and make you pay! And you with the visions...why don't you just move on yourself and see what a lie you are living on! Whoever you are, what ever mountaintop you are living on...I feel sorry for you.

People believe what they want to believe. Alot of the tvindies are in the organisation because they reject alot of the pressures of everyday life. Tvind and the comradeship and support they recieve from their friends within the organisation makes up for alot. Its a shame that such a group of people ended up in such dire straights. Amdi started out as a left winger with Marxist tendencies and he ended up living with the rich on a private island. The same mugabe was a marxist lives in a Palace and drives round in a motorcade. I will have to think about this alot what I can say is I don't believe in Politics any more

I really wonder if this will change much for Tvind. First, members of the TG will likely just discount it as yet another attack from an unfriendly world. (You'd be amazed at how much rationalization people are capable of). Second, they will claim that Amdi is not really part of their organization and that his actions are not connected even though they are. Finally, they will enter that "lets just hunker down and work" mentality and ignore what is right in front of them.

I sincerely hope that people actually take the time to stop and think about what this means but I fear that they won't. If people don't want to face the truth they will find ways to avoid it and the TG are experts in pushing aside all evidence that contradicts their worldview.

 

 

 

It is to be hoped that the thousands of young people who have given their cash, time and effort to this dreadful organization will now be reimbursed. The police should mount an international hunt world wide for Petersens cash. It should all be redistributed to the donors with interest. Petersen himself should be brought to justice in the most uncivilised country in which Tvind has so called humanitarian projects. This man does not deserve any justice in for instance Denmark. That country would probably release him after a few years, anyway. He sould also be held responsible for all the suicides in his wake.

Hi all.

Tvindalert and Jyllands posten can write whatever. We just continue to do our work as good as we can.

 

 

What happens to the schools in Africa if Tvind really falls apart (as hopefully, it will)?

In my opinion, it would be diasterous for Angola, Mozambique and Zimbabwe if Tvind shuts its doors with noone there to pick up the pieces. I seem to have heard that Tvind controls something like 90% of the entire school system in Mozambique alone. In my opinion, after Amdi's properties have been sold and the Tvind teachers have been given their rightfully deserved compensations, the remainder of the money in the Flleseje fund should be put into a real fund that would then be administered by someone like the Danish government, the European Union or what have you. This fund would then provide for the continous funding of Tvind's African school systems, ensuring that ALL the raised money will finally go to its intended recipients.

Peter

(btw, I'm not a big fan of Amdi's buddy Mugabe either, but I don't think it would do much good to the plight of ordinary Zimbabweans to have any schools in their country close.)

Hmm, OK. Now that it's beginning to sink in, what have the pro-Tvind writers got to say about this? Tomas? Anna? You all seem to be keeping rather quiet....

I all fairness, I have to say that it must be a humbling experience to realise that one has been so cleverly and comprehensively duped. It seems that this really has been the most impressive piece of indoctrination. Amdi, and his close associates, deserve Oscars for their performances. They really seem to have pulled the wool over people's eyes, anyone who wanted to do some good in the world could be so easily taken in. That is the biggest tragedy of all this - shattered ideals.

 

Amdi Petersen is found in luxury hideaway

Mogens Amdi Petersen, the reclusive leader of the so-called 'aid charity' Tvind, has been located in a luxury private tropical island resort off Miami, according to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten yesterday.

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

Furter. If any of you ever donate to a Humana, to one of the Travelling Folk high schools can I tell you that it is safe. I have personally seen and worked at several projects and know many that have done the same and are satisfied with how it is run.

the one here telling that the donated money goes to some luxury places do not have a clue about what he is talking about

 

First, it is not clear that Humana is doing a good job in third world countries...there is no independent evaluation of the programs. The one thing that is clear, is that the same old problems are made over and over. Second, it matters what the TG is doing with its money comes from people who are donating to a charity in order to help people. If you are going to beg on the streets to help the third world and beg for free food and beg for free accomindations it seems that society has an interest in knowing what the money is going to.

Yes Humana has accomplished a lot....but living in luxury apartments is not what most people who donate think they are supporting.

Why is it so important to know what the TG is doing with their money? It their own business. Is it not much more interesting to know that Humana is really doing a good job in third world countries?

I suspect that quite some people in the UN organs are quite wealthy. But they do not put their salaries together, so they are not "criminal as Tvind".

When many people put their salaries together THAT THEY HAVE EARNT BY WORKING, can a lot be done. It also create reactions.

 

 

I think that this site is a proof of that people in the TG has achieved quite some remarcableble results.

A bunch of people, starting about 30 years ago put their money together to do something.

Today we see Humana,schools, private enterprizes, farms and many activities.

Great achievemnt!

Yes, how stupid of me. Despite the fact that the leader of the TG is living a luxurious lifestyle based on the donations to the 3rd world, we should just shut up and get to work like all good Tvind-ites......I guess it is better to accomplish the enrichment of a total bastard than to try and stop this abuse. Again, mea culpa I'm so sorry.

Don't you people have anything better to do with your lives then to complain about a group of people that aren't even concerned with yours. Come on, these people are doing something that they want to do and are doing it. How much in your life have you accomplished???????? Get a life and find something else to do then to complain about nothing.

I have no idea what criteria Agfund used to judge programs. From what I see from their webpage all it took was an application and there was little or no ground-checking. And we all know that the TG are experts in propaganda about themselves.

In terms why doesn't the TG do something else...well they do. Clearcutting lumber in Brazil and growing bananas in Belize. Also they also seem to embemzle money from their aid projects. Perhaps not the most effecient way to make money but it works. I for one would support the TG dropping the pretense of "good work" and they becoming full capitalists...at least then they would make their volunteers cynical.

Who are you asking? Somebody from TG trying to calculate out who I am? You will find out sooner or later anyway. Don't worry. Or was it of some other reason? Why do you think I will answer an anonumous poster? You tell me who you are first. Sigge

Hey Sigge. How long have you been in TG and when you left?

YES there are results. YES some people are doing good. But please, please TG-people STOP focusing only on your results. Stop rationalizing stop defending yourselves. Stop hiding the fact that there is a hidden curriculum! I know that you are aware of it. I was! But I defended it to be necessary. I thought TG was ahead of it's time, misunderstood by media etc. (still I find many of Tvind-related articles mostly ridiculous and not targeting the real problems). I hid things from students and I hid facts from those TG members that were better not to know this or that "yet". They might be new members and react in a wrong way to certain things. I never talked about Amdi to anybody. We just didn't talk about him. that meant my thoughts about him were my personal thoughts. I thought he was a fantastic man. Sure everybody else thought so as well. But as we never or seldom commented anything there was no risk for bad talk among us either. I knew he was the boss. Was it what I talked about when an outsider questioned? No. In order to let him keep the power I needed to think of him as a "good" leader. As a good example. I was listening to stories told about how fantastic he was and how hardworking, thoughtful... But never mentioned this to students. Isn't this double moral, dear old TG-friends? YES most of you are working like hell and doing a damn good work. Some of you are really clever and talented, some of you are oppressed. But please...there are so many good things one can do outside TG! I mean you act like people in a bad marriage, defending it until the last blooddrop. I don't feel any guilt of divorcing TG anymore. I am SO happy!

Sigge

I must admit I always expected to find Amdi living it up but what a absolute bastard, all that bullshit he was coming out with all those years. How many people he has conned I wonder what he really thought about the people in his organisation collecting money on the streets. Its a betrayal on a collossal scale.

I guess the AGFUND looked at the RESULTS of the TCE projects - and that's why they decided to give them the prize.

Look at the RESULTS people - and please think about it. How is it possible for HUMANA to pull off so many projects, and to develop more and more, if the money that is collected for it in the West doesn't end up where it is supposed to be?

IF the TG only wanted to make money, why would they choose to do it in such a difficult way - ripping of charities or running schools that doesn't receive any government funding. I know these TGs (or at least some of them). Most of them are dead smart and could earn big salaries in business. If amassing wealth was the only thing the TG was about - why do they bother with troublemaking youth or projects in really awkward places in the world?

I read the message ending with "Thanks for reading", and got terribly irritated. Who are you to talk about diversity? About visions? About pointing fingers at sbd else? Who are you to tell about doing good? How can you be so sure of that you (whoever in TG you are and wherever you are placed) actually ARE doing good? Yes, you can vomit even more from your statistics ripped out from "State of the world's children reports" etc showing the situation of the third world. I agree, it is terrible. But that is just a curtain covering up for what you really do...Why are you NOT telling about the endless teacher's meetings where you discuss all participant's? About the aim of all later joining the teacher's group? About the need of "upbringing" of the participants you mostly forget are adults? Your words about UN's good work blablabla is just a coward way of trying to justify your own work. Why don't you write about what you REALLY think about UN? Why don't you write what TG thinks about UN or all other organisations that are not TGs? I mean, as far as I know Amdi doesn't give a shit of people outside TG. Neither was his words about UN really uplifting as far as I can remember. What I really dislike about you TG-people is the way of deciding some things being TG-talk, some other things the things you tell to people "outside". The sort of talk that is on your leaflets, broschures, lectures, web-pages, etc. It is called propaganda. You might fool some people with your bullshit about visions, you sure don't fool me no more. How come you still haven't woke up? Too many invested years of your life to your "vision"? Count the hours you have spent on the streets begging for money! I spent alltogether NINE months on the streets. I collected around 20 000 alltogether! If that would have been for instance to Joao and Fernando and all other decent poor people in Angola, but... GOLF CLUB-memberships...Damn Amdi and Kirsten, I really thought you were nice, gorgeous people, I really looked up to you once...Now I really am angry and I hope that they'll get you and make you pay! And you with the visions...why don't you just move on yourself and see what a lie you are living on! Whoever you are, what ever mountaintop you are living on...I feel sorry for you.

People believe what they want to believe. Alot of the tvindies are in the organisation because they reject alot of the pressures of everyday life. Tvind and the comradeship and support they recieve from their friends within the organisation makes up for alot. Its a shame that such a group of people ended up in such dire straights. Amdi started out as a left winger with Marxist tendencies and he ended up living with the rich on a private island. The same mugabe was a marxist lives in a Palace and drives round in a motorcade. I will have to think about this alot what I can say is I don't believe in Politics any more

I really wonder if this will change much for Tvind. First, members of the TG will likely just discount it as yet another attack from an unfriendly world. (You'd be amazed at how much rationalization people are capable of). Second, they will claim that Amdi is not really part of their organization and that his actions are not connected even though they are. Finally, they will enter that "lets just hunker down and work" mentality and ignore what is right in front of them.

I sincerely hope that people actually take the time to stop and think about what this means but I fear that they won't. If people don't want to face the truth they will find ways to avoid it and the TG are experts in pushing aside all evidence that contradicts their worldview.

 

 

 

It is to be hoped that the thousands of young people who have given their cash, time and effort to this dreadful organization will now be reimbursed. The police should mount an international hunt world wide for Petersens cash. It should all be redistributed to the donors with interest. Petersen himself should be brought to justice in the most uncivilised country in which Tvind has so called humanitarian projects. This man does not deserve any justice in for instance Denmark. That country would probably release him after a few years, anyway. He sould also be held responsible for all the suicides in his wake.

Hi all.

Tvindalert and Jyllands posten can write whatever. We just continue to do our work as good as we can.

 

 

What happens to the schools in Africa if Tvind really falls apart (as hopefully, it will)?

In my opinion, it would be diasterous for Angola, Mozambique and Zimbabwe if Tvind shuts its doors with noone there to pick up the pieces. I seem to have heard that Tvind controls something like 90% of the entire school system in Mozambique alone. In my opinion, after Amdi's properties have been sold and the Tvind teachers have been given their rightfully deserved compensations, the remainder of the money in the Flleseje fund should be put into a real fund that would then be administered by someone like the Danish government, the European Union or what have you. This fund would then provide for the continous funding of Tvind's African school systems, ensuring that ALL the raised money will finally go to its intended recipients.

Peter

(btw, I'm not a big fan of Amdi's buddy Mugabe either, but I don't think it would do much good to the plight of ordinary Zimbabweans to have any schools in their country close.)

Hmm, OK. Now that it's beginning to sink in, what have the pro-Tvind writers got to say about this? Tomas? Anna? You all seem to be keeping rather quiet....

I all fairness, I have to say that it must be a humbling experience to realise that one has been so cleverly and comprehensively duped. It seems that this really has been the most impressive piece of indoctrination. Amdi, and his close associates, deserve Oscars for their performances. They really seem to have pulled the wool over people's eyes, anyone who wanted to do some good in the world could be so easily taken in. That is the biggest tragedy of all this - shattered ideals.

 

Amdi Petersen is found in luxury hideaway

Mogens Amdi Petersen, the reclusive leader of the so-called 'aid charity' Tvind, has been located in a luxury private tropical island resort off Miami, according to the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten yesterday.

Petersen is said to have a $6 million penthouse apartment at Fisher Island, one of the most exclusive resorts in the world, used as a hideaway by top sportsmen and film stars. The apartment has marble floors, five bathrooms, a Jacuzzi, a steam shower and a fitness room and was bought for him by a Tvind company for $624,000 in 1991. Petersen is an enthusiastic member of the $100,000 Fisher Island golf club. In fact, Tvind rents two apartments - one for each of Petersen's two dogs.

The newspaper's coverage begins: "Mogens Amdi Petersen, leader of the Danish Tvind organisation, is hiding on a private tropical island, while earnings from companies in The Third World and Tvind-teacher salaries keep pouring into his coffers...."

Jyllands-Posten also publishes the first photograph of 62-year old Petersen since 1979.

Story in English with links at: http://www.tvindalert.org.uk (follow links to story) and in Danish at http://www.jp.dk

 

I just visited the Tvind school in Denmark and i must say i liked it very much. Everyone was very friendly and we had a great conferance about development in the third world. What Tvind stands for i something very good and if there would be no people like the tvindalert people in this world much more would be don for the thirld world. Go Tvind, go!

ALERT! Might wanna check www.jp.dk - they've found Amdi!

So Amdi hiding on Fisher island in luxury. I bet he doesn't wear Tvindie clothes doesn't sound like he has a common economy on a $100000 per year Golf club. What about buying a spare flat for his dog. With all you Tvindies sleeping on 2nd hand mattresses. Well better late than never to find out, you all have my sympathy

the one here telling that the donated money goes to some luxury places do not have a clue about what he is talking about

 

First, it is not clear that Humana is doing a good job in third world countries...there is no independent evaluation of the programs. The one thing that is clear, is that the same old problems are made over and over. Second, it matters what the TG is doing with its money comes from people who are donating to a charity in order to help people. If you are going to beg on the streets to help the third world and beg for free food and beg for free accomindations it seems that society has an interest in knowing what the money is going to.

Yes Humana has accomplished a lot....but living in luxury apartments is not what most people who donate think they are supporting.

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